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  • Big country

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    I think that the "you draw you shoot" thing is a lot like teaching someone to put there finger on the trigger when they are clearing the house. They would be able to react faster yes but they might be frightened buy a family member and accidentally shoot said family member. If you are going to draw your gun you need to be sure there is a reason for it to be drawn. If you draw without that reason you are going to be in hot water. That is why I never tell anyone "you draw you shoot". If any dog is running at you in an aggressive manner, I'd say forget about everything and focus on the threat at hand and react appropriately. As Texas42 mentioned there are times to draw and there are times to shoot. As far as carrying I'll say it again if you need your gun you will likely need it fast and you wont have time to rack the slide, so keep one in the pipe and stay alert.
     

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    It still amazes me to this day that people carry a gun without one in the chamber...

    Honestly to me a gun without one in the chamber is as good as a rock...

    It is also like lighting a match with a lighter...yeah that works too...but why do that?...(Pointless)
     

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    My friend,

    I disagree. I think that there are situations where you would want to draw your gun, and there are situations where you should shoot. They aren't always the same.

    I think for example, if a big, honking dog was running at you in a way that might be agressive, I think drawing would be appropriate in many settings. Seems like it would be a little too late to draw after you know a dog is going to be agressive.

    As a private citizen, not a LEO, please provide me a situation or scenario where you would draw your gun and not shoot? The fact you "cleared" should have been based on some threat assessment. If the threat assessment = use of deadly force, then please tell me why you would not shoot?

    If a dog is running toward me in an aggressive manner which I reasonably determine could cause serious bodily injury or even death to my person or another, when I "clear leather", the dog is dead. Period.
     

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    I've got one.
    You're working late and you decide to run to the whataburger down the street you're car is still in the back parking lot the security is monitoring cameras and you have your handgun so you decline an escort to your vehicle. While you're walking threw the parking lot you notice that the street light is out by your car. You just mutter something you didn't learn in sunday school and keep walking. When you get to your car you start fumbling in your pocket for your keys and you see someone running across the parking lot straight at you. You see a tire tool in their right hand and go for your gun and draw and the person drops the tire tool and runs the other way. If you shoot them now it's murder but it happened so fast that when you finally got your gun out (as I'm sure it'd feel like forever) the situation has changed. Or lets say you do it right and say STOP, <hand on gun> STOP DON'T COME ANY CLOSER <draw gun> DROP THE WEAPON <gun out and trained on attacker> then instead of raising his tire tool he drops it and puts his hands up. Do you shoot him then? I wouldn't.
     

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    Easy......

    I've got one.
    You're working late and you decide to run to the whataburger down the street you're car is still in the back parking lot the security is monitoring cameras and you have your handgun so you decline an escort to your vehicle. While you're walking threw the parking lot you notice that the street light is out by your car. You just mutter something you didn't learn in sunday school and keep walking. When you get to your car you start fumbling in your pocket for your keys and you see someone running across the parking lot straight at you. You see a tire tool in their right hand and go for your gun and draw and the person drops the tire tool and runs the other way. If you shoot them now it's murder but it happened so fast that when you finally got your gun out (as I'm sure it'd feel like forever) the situation has changed. Or lets say you do it right and say STOP, <hand on gun> STOP DON'T COME ANY CLOSER <draw gun> DROP THE WEAPON <gun out and trained on attacker> then instead of raising his tire tool he drops it and puts his hands up. Do you shoot him then? I wouldn't.

    Remove my shirt away from my holster, place hand on grip ready to "clear leather", say stop drop weapon or I will shoot. He continues to move at you with tire iron, I clear leather and he is dead. If he drops weapon and puts his hands up - Great. I would also slowly move forward and have him spread eagle face away from me, palms up. He will see I have a gun. I call 911. Never did I even have to "clear leather". Remember, if a LEO pulls up during this event, and LEO sees you with gun out and drawn - who does the cop think is the assailant?
     

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    What I'm saying is that a lot of attackers break the attack or escalate the attack when presented with someone else's gun pointed at them. If that tire tool turns out to be a gun and you have not drawn yet you might be in a heap of dodo.
     

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    I believe someone else could elaborate, but there is a difference between drawing a weapon and brandishing a weapon.

    42.01
    (10) displays a firearm or other deadly weapon in a public place in a manner calculated to alarm;

    Being an LEO or non-LEO has nothing to do with it.

    If a LEO pulls up, you ALWAYS get any weapon out of your hands. It doesn't matter that they know or don't know you are a "good guy."
     

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    My friend,

    I believe someone else could elaborate, but there is a difference between drawing a weapon and brandishing a weapon.

    42.01
    (10) displays a firearm or other deadly weapon in a public place in a manner calculated to alarm;

    Being an LEO or non-LEO has nothing to do with it.

    If a LEO pulls up, you ALWAYS get any weapon out of your hands. It doesn't matter that they know or don't know you are a "good guy."

    Brandishing a firearm usually refers to mean to intimidate and coerce without due cause or fear of injury or death. This is my understanding in layman terms. Drawing a weapon should emanate from a reasonable determination that you and/or others are in fear of serious bodily injury or death based on your threat assessment.
     

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    If a LEO pulls up, you ALWAYS get any weapon out of your hands. It doesn't matter that they know or don't know you are a "good guy."

    That is my point. If you "clear leather" shoot. Usually after I shoot I holster my weapon...LOL. If you don't have to "clear leather", but neutralize the threat because the assailant "just got smart" and laid the tire iron down, you don't have a weapon in your hand to get rid of when the cops arrive!!

    Remember....cops do not know who you are. We all need to "live scenarios" in the event a scenario becomes "real". Remember, as CHL private citizens, we have to be not only concerned with the assailant, but also be concerned about the police, in terms of anticipating their actions.

    As to the tire iron really being a firearm. If the assailant does not halt, but is carrying something in his hand and as he approaches you ignoring your command to stop or be shot, but then raises his arms to point whatever he is carrying at you in a manner typical of a firearm - "clear" and shoot.
     

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    Alot of MWAG confusion can be mediated by calling 911 yourself if you are seen pulling your carry. Get yer tail on the line, start communicating with the operator and they relay to the officers. It always pays to be (one of) the first to call and report, especially if 'gun', or any weapon for that matter was involved.


    And yall totally dragged this trailer into the mud.
     

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    Personally,

    I thought it was a good discussion.

    Frankly, I tend not to respond to "trailers which I think have been dragged into the mud". But, I see you like to respond with your 2 cents and then criticize the trailer....interesting. Sort of like...I voted against it before I voted for it....LOL
     

    Shorts

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    Personally,

    I thought it was a good discussion.

    Frankly, I tend not to respond to "trailers which I think have been dragged into the mud". But, I see you like to respond with your 2 cents and then criticize the trailer....interesting. Sort of like...I voted against it before I voted for it....LOL


    Touche`

    I guess you're just a hint sore since you did most the draggin' these last few post
     

    TexasRedneck

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    Sorry - but when I perceive an imminent threat, I'm clearing leather. Now, if that immenent threat sees my reaction and immediately stops their actions, then I'm NOT gonna shoot - and you'd best not either. I HAVE drawn before, and the very act of the weapon coming into line gave them pause (thankfully). I will draw (if at all possible) while there's still time to NOT shoot - because if I wait until the last possible second, that's an unnecessary risk IMO. It's ALL judgement call - and something that's going to be up to you to decide is worth "crossing the line".

    But, yeah - if you pull a gun, call the cops and do what the nice lady tells you - because if you don't call 'em and someone else does, they're attitude is gonna be a WHOLE lot different when they pull ya over!
     

    ROGER4314

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    I came back to visit this thread after a while. I was amazed that we had several pages of comments complaining about the poor misunderstood Pit Bull in my story. I was attacked by a dog. Guys, I am not a politically correct person. The truth is the truth.

    These things are true:
    It was a registered Pit Bull and one of two that the family had.
    I was in my own living space and not on his turf nor had I been before the attack.
    The attack was totally unprovoked. I had never had a bad experience with the dog or its owner before.
    The dog locked onto my lower leg and chewed, tugged and tore through a pair of insulated coveralls until he tore into the flesh of my lower leg.
    The attack didn't stop until I beat Hell out of the dog with a piece of PVC pipe.

    That's how it was.

    Flash
     
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