Alternate views of unlicensed carry not appreciated here - but here is one

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Dougw1515

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"A well regulated militia being necessary for a free state." That is definitely up for interpretation, at least in my mind.
And the right to bear arms is not a God-given right. Can't find that in the Bible anywhere.
With that being said, and I know many or most on this forum are already seething with rage if they have read this far, I am not a fan of unlicensed carry in Texas. The current system works well. Very well in my mind. Carry permit holders, as a class, are the most law-abiding group of citizens in the state statistically. When I encounter an open carry person, it is highly likely in my mind that the person has passed a couple of background checks when he bought his/her firearm and when he/her obtained their carry permit and likely a few times in between. Of course there is not guarantee of such or that the person is legally carrying his firearm on his hip. But I will imagine or hope for the better.

The founding fathers made it very clear the meaning and intent of the 2nd amendment. please read the Federalist papers. The Bill of rights/Constitution do not grant our rights, nor does man or government. Our rights, are unalienable and inherent. Another issue I have is having to pay for a right. Pay for finger printing, pay for permit, pay for classes, and using my free time to take a class. What other right do we have where we pay for a permit or classes? Voting? 1st amendment? Its not fair for those who cannot go through the class. Disabled, elderly. My wife, can shoot very well, but due to heart condition cannot make it through a class due to stanima issues. but she should be allowed to carry when she goes somewhere...also, situations may crop up unexpectedly such as an ex husband, boyfriend, stalker, and there may not be time to wait....Just because the system works, doesn't make it good. Honestly, the classes are a joke and in no way qualify as training. We can already carry long guns now, but you do not mention that...where do you stand on that out of curiosity? If this does not pass, I would like to see en masse people carry their long guns. Ar-15's , 30-30's, 30-o6, .50 cals. I came from mississippi, there have been zero issues from this law, as well as the other 20 states. no issues. Remember, the bad guys are already carrying their firearms, no training, no permit and no background check.
Dear I support the 2nd Amendment - Butt.

You do realize, of course you do, that most mass shootings in recent history were carried out with legally acquired firearms - Right? Sooooo... what's that leave us with? I'm thinking a criminal carried out the shootings - not the gun. It's a pretty well documented fact that criminals aren't really concerned with laws, well until they get caught anyway. And most not even then.


LTC class range time was never intended to be firearms training... Competency qualification.
 

Hoji

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Dear I support the 2nd Amendment - Butt.

You do realize, of course you do, that most mass shootings in recent history were carried out with legally acquired firearms - Right? Sooooo... what's that leave us with? I'm thinking a criminal carried out the shootings - not the gun. It's a pretty well documented fact that criminals aren't really concerned with laws, well until they get caught anyway. And most not even then.


LTC class range time was never intended to be firearms training... Competency qualification.
New guy. Looks like he was quoting the OP, but didn’t know to just hit “reply” to quote as opposed to doing the cut and paste.
Read the bottom half of the post and it appears that he is on the correct side of “Shall not be infringed”
 

jrbfishn

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I think he was quoting the op there.
New guy. Looks like he was quoting the OP, but didn’t know to just hit “reply” to quote as opposed to doing the cut and paste.
Read the bottom half of the post and it appears that he is on the correct side of “Shall not be infringed”
So it appears. I stand corrected.

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Dougw1515

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New guy. Looks like he was quoting the OP, but didn’t know to just hit “reply” to quote as opposed to doing the cut and paste.
Read the bottom half of the post and it appears that he is on the correct side of “Shall not be infringed”
Yeah... I read that as well and was a bit confused as to the OP's intent. But.... In keeping with TGT traditions I figured I'd lower the hammer jest in case!
 

Asymmetrical

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I've passed multiple deep dive security investigations from the Department of Defense and Department of State, as well as the background check to get my LTC, so how many more times do I have to "prove myself worthy" of the "privilege" of being "allowed" to own, carry or possess a firearm for my own protection?

The Second Amendment is not written in vague, ambivalent language, despite the best efforts of modern "scholars" to interpret the wording so. It says what it means and means what it says. Anyone who says otherwise is trying to build a case for taking even MORE of your civil liberties away, "for your protection."

The hue and cry over permitless carry is just so much ill-informed hogwash. As has been stated before, why should we, the law-abiding citizens, bear the burden of "proving ourselves worthy," paying money, going through retarded classes and undergoing background checks to be afforded the "privilege" of using the same rights that every criminal gets for free?

If permitless carry was really the problem, then none of our ancestors in this country would have survived to produce later generations.

Look elsewhere for the root cause of violence, because permitless carry and an armed citizenry isn't it.
 

Asymmetrical

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Here is a suggestion for how our gun laws, regulations and ordinances should be crafted:

Seek the opinions of experts in the field. Real experts, who have a demonstrable history of experience, skill and practical knowledge.

If someone can demonstrate a higher level of knowledge, skill and ability with a firearm than I can (and that will take some doing), then I would be willing to at least listen to their point of view on this subject, even if I disagreed with it.

If said person could or cannot demonstrate a higher level of KSAs on this subject, then they have nothing of any measurable worth to add to the conversation as far as I'm concerned, and I will therefore disregard whatever they have to say, and will not comply with whatever rules they cook up in their hysteria.

Guns are the only category of consumer product in which we leave the regulation and governance to non-experts such as pant-shitting politicians, hysterical activists and hack journalists. It's time to change that.
 

Asymmetrical

The harmony of the Pen and the Sword
Aug 13, 2018
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I remember a time when I was allowed to open carry and did so, and that was in California. Without a permit. The good old days.
I carried for many years before we even had such things as permits in Mississippi, and no one, including myself, died.

The current year hysteria over simple things like this is telling of a society that lacks validation, meaning or purpose in the lives of its individual members.

Too many people are now inventing, from whole cloth, a whole new host of solutions in search of problems, all because their dull, meaningless lives are empty of anything fine, good or worth remembering.

Americans tend to be the softest, weakest, FATTEST, most entitled people on earth, and they love to be righteously indignant 24 hours a day over trivial bullshit that they saw on the Internet.

I would suggest taking a break from the worthless social media and entertainment venues that rule the lives of everyone throughout the land, and go actually DO SOMETHING, preferably outdoors, and even better, requiring some measurable level of physical effort.

Kill your television, dump social media, then turn off your phone, and you will live a happier, more productive life in every metric, guaranteed.
 

Dougw1515

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Here is a suggestion for how our gun laws, regulations and ordinances should be crafted:

Seek the opinions of experts in the field. Real experts, who have a demonstrable history of experience, skill and practical knowledge.

If someone can demonstrate a higher level of knowledge, skill and ability with a firearm than I can (and that will take some doing), then I would be willing to at least listen to their point of view on this subject, even if I disagreed with it.

If said person could or cannot demonstrate a higher level of KSAs on this subject, then they have nothing of any measurable worth to add to the conversation as far as I'm concerned, and I will therefore disregard whatever they have to say, and will not comply with whatever rules they cook up in their hysteria.

Guns are the only category of consumer product in which we leave the regulation and governance to non-experts such as pant-shitting politicians, hysterical activists and hack journalists. It's time to change that.
Say what???? WTH would you involve a "GUN Experts". What "higher knowledge" would you suggest is required? Who, exactly would "YOU" listen to. How about we read the U.S. Constitution and interpret it correctly and apply it as written - problem solved. How about a Constitutional expert... How many of those have we seen come and go? Your post I replied to actually makes little to no sense.

ETA: Just read your most recent post.... Your thoughts really.... really... need a little more incubation time.
 
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