Ammo for Piston Haters

[NOLA Jack]

Youre attacking someone (for some reason) that isnt a DI hating piston fanatic. Not really sure why.

Me: I'm sniping from the sidelines owning zero ARs but having had both DI and piston guns.

Where did I attack anyone? I asked questions to address my confusion and he addressed them.

 

[breakingcontact]

Where did I attack anyone? I asked questions to address my confusion and he addressed them.

I suppose I didnt see any confusion. Got it.

 

[NOLA Jack]

I could be way off base here, and not trying to defend piston (think it has a place, but not generally needed or helpful), not even sure if his is considered a true "piston gun" based on an earlier post.

But, he did say he was shooting corrosive ammo. If that's the case and he didn't feel a need to clean the gun it could very well be the reason it seized up on him.


I don't know exactly how his gun works, but it would be a pita to do a full strip and clean of a standard AR every time it went to the range. Luckily, I rarely need to clean my DI system. It just keeps on keepin on.

Thats part of where my confusion comes from. If the corrosive ammo caused rusting and since rusting causes expansion it would almost certainly lead to this seizure. However, I thought the whole thing was melonited which(I'm assuming) shouldn't have allowed any rusting.

 

[Shooter McGavin]

Old, surplus, commie ammo burns very dirty, I suspect once all the gunk cooled off it acted as super glue. DI guns can malfuntion with that steel cased crap as well.

 

[Saltyag2010]

I don't know how it seized. I guess I never will because I'm getting replacement parts rather than figuring out the problem. It shouldn't be rust because of the coating but weirder shit has happened. My guess - CLP+remoil+Russian surplus carbon+corrosive salts= jb weld
Anyone else with a piston - don't be an idiot and clean it like its a do gun. clean that piston shit. I hope u have a warranty. Just because your bolt is cleaner doesn't mean it won't stop going bang bang. That carbon does go somewhere.

 

[breakingcontact]

Anybody looking to do a piston conversion check out the Osprey pistons. Different design. Very interesting.

 

[Saltyag2010]

Anybody looking to do a piston conversion check out the Osprey pistons. Different design. Very interesting.

Only complaint I've read was they won't fit many handguards- magpul and the ones that come with it fit according to google.

 

[breakingcontact]

Only complaint I've read was they won't fit many handguards- magpul and the ones that come with it fit according to google.

That is true. They aren't as ubiquitous as the Adams Arms pistons.

 

[Younggun]

I thought be were bashing piston guns, not recommending conversion kits...


Back on topic, PISTON GUNS SUCK!

 

[40Arpent]

i thought be were bashing piston guns, not recommending conversion kits...


Back on topic, piston guns suck!

lol !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Saltyag2010]

I thought be were bashing piston guns, not recommending conversion kits...


Back on topic, PISTON GUNS SUCK!

It's not piston bashing. Just real life info that the system can fail. There is real life info that most things will fail but this was my failure. Whatever you buy should have a warranty.

 

[breakingcontact]

Yes mechanical things fail. We all agree. I also know that the DI fans are skurred (scared) that their dirty nasty system from the 50's/60's is being replaced by an even older system. ---------> runs off to read a "why are ARs so popular?" debate.

 

[Younggun]

Lol, if I were scared I'd be stockpiling gas tubes and gas blocks.

Just a fad that will eventually pass for all except those have actually benefit from it, which doesn't include 99% of people.

 

[breakingcontact]

Fad? Its growing consistently. Also...you dont have gas tubes stockpiled? When I owned ARs I kept lots of extra parts...but didnt ever break anything...dammits.

 

[Younggun]

When I need one, there will be plenty laying around.

 

[breakingcontact]

When I need one, there will be plenty laying around.

Yes...because people are ditching DI.

 

[Younggun]

 

[40Arpent]

Fad? Its growing consistently.

I can't tell whether you are being serious or not. And even if you told me you were being serious, I still might not believe you. LOL

 

[Saltyag2010]

Fad? Its growing consistently. Also...you dont have gas tubes stockpiled? When I owned ARs I kept lots of extra parts...but didnt ever break anything...dammits.

I need to stockpile parts like springs, detents, that firing pin retainer. I just don't know where to get just small parts like that.

 

[breakingcontact]

I can't tell whether you are being serious or not. And even if you told me you were being serious, I still might not believe you. LOL

Do a bunch of research. Post the results showing the market share for both DI and piston guns for the last 10 years. Go do it now! I've got a meeting.