Annnnnnd Dallas County just got themselves an MRAP!

[breakingcontact]

Not apologizing. Not getting into some futile back and forth either. People are growing increasingly concerned and rightfully so.

Police need to be protected. Absolutely. Is there an IED threat in Dallas County? At best this is an example of poor management as this free vehicle will cost a fortune to maintain, at worst...well we can all decide how something like this could be used worst case.

I was in the military and i have seriously considered getting into law enforcement. They are two distinct things that need very distinct equipment, training and doctrine. I have similar issues with the military being tasked to act as a quasi police force in war time overseas.

I dont appreciate the insinuation that i have some chip on my shoulder because i dare question things. No i havent been rejected for LE or had bad run ins with LEOs and was in the hiring process for DPS when i took a different job offer.

I havent been posting much lately about the militarization of police. If this isnt a clear example i dont know what is? If this doesnt concern you, i suppose we have different worldviews.

Ill see if i can find anymore info or updates on this so it stays on topic and doesnt devolve and get locked. This is a vital conversation and it needs to be had.

 

[shooterfpga]

I haven't posted much in awhile regarding the militarization of our civilian police.

Dallas County Now Has Its Very Own Bulletproof, "Mine-Protected" Military SUV

Is this really what we want?

The Sheriff's office says it will help them serve warrants. I'm sure it will. It would also help them if we just all wore a shock collar.

Unreal folks. What's next? Combat Engineer Vehicles?

Reminds me of the dallas swat uparmored vehicle in houston. Specifically conroe. But a maxxpro aint nothing. Give it two weeks itll be turned over on its side in a ditch.

Militarizing the police is a bad step for the public. LEO's get upset and highly butthurt when security guards overstep their positions. The police need to realize they are overstepping into our territory and leave the big boy toys and tactics to us. Until i see ieds, vbeds, efps, etc i wont see what they need em for.

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[smittyb]

This story was linked on Texas hunting forum yesterday. I refrained From commenting because everyone there seem to think it was exactly what the police needs to keep us safe.
My current county of residence has an armored Bearcat and an UAV. It just so happens on its maiden voyage the drone crashed into the seat team in the Bearcat. It would almost be funny, if it were not a monumental waste of taxpayer dollars, not to mention the possible infringement on those same tax payers civil liberties.
TXI, if you don't agree with what is being said, why wouldn't you just move on instead of calling people whacky or whiners?

 

[smittyb]

Reminds me of the dallas swat uparmored vehicle in houston. Specifically conroe. But a maxxpro aint nothing. Give it two weeks itll be turned over on its side in a ditch.

Militarizing the police is a bad step for the public. LEO's get upset and highly butthurt when security guards overstep their positions. The police need to realize they are overstepping into our territory and leave the big boy toys and tactics to us. Until i see ieds, vbeds, emps, etc i wont see what they need em for.

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That's the one I was referring to. But please,in the future, could you not call Conroe Houston?

 

[jordanmills]

At some point, they're going to stop being police and start being local military.

 

[Koinonia]

My opinion: If they have the extra funds, and can buy/maintain it instead of it being scrapped after the taxpayers spent the money to build it, then by all means.

I'm sure you'd be able to buy one too, if you had the money.

 

[Shotgun Jeremy]

I guess I'm in the minority on not being bothered by this. Its not like Dallas is some small town. Police are up against some pretty legit bad guys in the bigger cities so to me, this isn't much different than the armored SWAT vans. The biggest difference is this looks a little more intimidating so maybe it'll make dopeheads think twice before firing at any incoming officers. The maintenance shouldn't be too much more than what's already being spent on firetrucks or armored vans. If this were for some small town, I may call bs....but for a bigger city, I'm cool with it.

 

[shortround]

The "police" everywhere have been up-armoring for years. "To Serve and Protect" once meant they should be dressed much like Barney Fife and drive around in a Ford Fairlane 500, or walk a beat talking and chatting with the local folks.

Instead, they now dress in camouflage, wear body armor and PSGT kevlar helmets, cover their faces with balaclavas, carry military-grade long arms instead of shotguns, and generally consider themselves some kind of para-military bad-a$$es (just like after the Boston bombings). It is the certain mark of a police-state. The more this goes on, the worse it will get. We already have too many cases of no-knock warrants being served on the wrong parties.

As for the maintenance and upkeep of those armored vehicles -- they were a limited production run, and within ten years there will be no parts to keep them running. Maintenance budgets will crash, and the coppers will beg the Feds for the latest .gov surplus fighting vehicles.

 

[Shotgun Jeremy]

Have we learned nothing from the LA bank shootout and similar incidents? I agree completely that we have some cocky-ass LE, as well as a lot of abuse. But that shouldn't keep us from trying to protect our good LE.

As far as parts-you can still retrofit a halftrack, so I think these trucks will be ok.

 

[shooterfpga]

Have we learned nothing from the LA bank shootout and similar incidents? I agree completely that we have some cocky-ass LE, as well as a lot of abuse. But that shouldn't keep us from trying to protect our good LE.

As far as parts-you can still retrofit a halftrack, so I think these trucks will be ok.

I dont recall the last time police were called out and required protection from mines or efps blowing through their vics and sucking them out the other side. If they are coming into contact with that again they need to stop operation and call us or other professionals in to bip on site.

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[Shotgun Jeremy]

Those trucks are good for more than resisting blasts. However, if they come under attack that they aren't used to-what makes you think they'll have time to sit and wait? Hell, bomb threats take 45 min to get any sort of "specialist" on site around here.

 

[SR9TEX]

Looks bad ass but it's overkill!

 

[breakingcontact]

Is there an emerging IED/VBED threat?

Should they get AAA? Just in case? I mean that guy did fly into the IRS building in Austin.

 

[Shotgun Jeremy]

Its just a lifted version of the SWAT vans that happens to have better underside protection. This thing really isn't all that special.

 

[CrazedJava]

I guess I'm in the minority on not being bothered by this. Its not like Dallas is some small town.

This is not for Dallas Police, but Dallas County.

Do they really need a MRAP for serving a warrant on some methhead?

What kills me is that the police have been quite successful without this kind of gear for awhile. Bullet-proof vests? Sure, why not. AR-15's? Well, only US police ever thought a sidearm should be treated as a primary weapon so maybe about time we got onboard with the rest of the world. Tasers? I loves me some less lethal, sure.

Armored vehicles? For what? What plausible threat do they have that requires this?

Even for Dallas PD. For all the crime in Dallas proper the gang bangers are NOT that well armed. They do know Die Hard was just a movie, right?

 

[Mexican_Hippie]

If I can legally buy one too I don't see why they can't. Frankly I'm surprised we haven't already had mall terrorist attacks. I think they should have the capability but restrict its use to emergencies ( policy would have to be put in place).

What irks me is when they can buy things that I can't or through some alternative process where they don't have to jump through the same hoops as me. For example, the pre86 machine gun stuff is pure bullshit - straight up tyranny.

 

[breakingcontact]

Man questions city's new mine-resistant vehicle on The Murfreesboro Post

Murfreesboro TN police have one as does The Ohio State University.

 

[TwinGlocks]

lol, that vehicle is so badass. Wouldn't it be cool to show off and drive to work. That sheriff wants it because it's cool.

 

[Koinonia]

This is not for Dallas Police, but Dallas County.

Do they really need a MRAP for serving a warrant on some methhead?

What kills me is that the police have been quite successful without this kind of gear for awhile. Bullet-proof vests? Sure, why not. AR-15's? Well, only US police ever thought a sidearm should be treated as a primary weapon so maybe about time we got onboard with the rest of the world. Tasers? I loves me some less lethal, sure.

Armored vehicles? For what? What plausible threat do they have that requires this?

Do you really need an Assault-rifle with a 30 round banana clip assault magazine to defend yourself from anyone?

If it's legal for us, it's only fair for it to be legal for them. (The M16s, meh. I don't personally want to go through the hassle, but it is legal for us to own those, too.)

 

[AngeliaH]

It's just one....Meh.

Now if they were getting 30 I'd be concerned.