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AR Pistols, ATF changing the rules

Discussion in 'Gun Legislation' started by rogue_eight, Jul 7, 2019.

  1. rogue_eight

    rogue_eight New Member

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    https://www.recoilweb.com/measuring...OOc347IJ9P5ARWulUNhmXz9aAtb97BZg13MnM1J9xcIDg

    In short, they now say that any collapsible or folding stock will be measured when collapsed or folded.
    Putting a vertical fore-grip on an AR Pistol will likely create an NFA violation.

    If I am reading it correctly. Anyway, if you build them or own one, you should probably read the ATF update.
     


  2. sucker76

    sucker76 Don't let the username fool you

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    Ain't it grand to make up sh!t as you go?

    I read a little of the new opinion. It said OAL will be measured with integral parts like the extension tube on an AR pistol. So that tells me the AR pistols are measured with the brace collapsed onto the buffer tube and AK pistol guys need to measure from the rear of the receiver and not the brace. My big question is what about the hinge mechanism for AR buffer tubes? Are they measured extended or collapsed because it has a hinge?
     
  3. toddnjoyce

    toddnjoyce TGT Addict

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    AFG. Problem solved.
     
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  4. Bozz10mm

    Bozz10mm TGT Addict TGT Supporter

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    This is the most confusing "clarification" I've ever seen.
     
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  5. Nietzsche

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    I was under the impression that braced pistols could never have fore-grip added and remain a non NFA taxed item. Is this decision more to do with rifle, sbr and aow classifications?
     
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  6. toddnjoyce

    toddnjoyce TGT Addict

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    IIRC, an OAL >26” and barrel <16” could use a VFG. See the Franklin XO-26.

    https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/10/06/franklin-armory-xo-26b-has-franklin-hacked-the-nfa/

    What my lay understanding is that ATF is essentially saying measure the firearm in its shortest configuration to obtain OAL.
     
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  7. Nietzsche

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    Ah so it's not actually classified as a "pistol" like the sig mpx but rather it falls outside of current classifications, to become it's own entity where by dimensions are important.
     
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  8. Charlie

    Charlie TGT Addict TGT Supporter

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    The last receiver I bought through my FFL was transferred as an "other"? So what does that mean?
     
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  9. DoubleDuty

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    That means you can make it a rifle or pistol. But if you make it a pistol then it becomes an NFA item.
     
  10. Charlie

    Charlie TGT Addict TGT Supporter

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    So what's that mean? That it can't be changed to a rifle? My FFL said a pistol can be changed to a rifle but a rifle cannot be changed to a pistol.
     


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