AR15 sbr question

[hkusp1]

can i buy a 11.5 upper for my ar and not register it and it still be legal as long as its disassembled from the lower ??

 

[TSU45]

The ATF views having all the parts to assemble an unregistered machinegun the same as having one already assembled. SBRs and MGs are both NFA weapons. I wouldn't test the waters.

 

[CALI]

Second that.

 

[baboon]

All they would bring up in court is intent. Then you would be screwed.

 

[DCortez]

When in doubt, don't touch.

 

[cuate]

There is probably a flash hider or fake suppressor available to bring barrel to legal 16" length but it will have to be pinned and welded on. Of course that defeats the SBR so that only leaves ATF paperwork, a $200 tax stamp and a long wait for their foot dragging.

Like the others have posted, don't take chances, the ATF isn't your friend and they have a heavy hand.

 

[kingofwylietx]

I agree, if you want a short barrel, then you better have the tax stamp or pistol lower for it.

 

[SC-Texas]

I thought that that concept had been overruled or severely limited with the thompson Center case.

However, it seems that one aspect of hte test is howeasily the parts can be assembled into a SBR.


Not that i would advise you do it.

 

[biglucky]

Are you waiting on paperwork or something? I would still wait, but maybe pay the dealer for the upper and ask them to hold it until you got your paperwork back.

 

[Flight954]

If you have to have it right now and even shoot it while waiting for your BATFE approval/stamp, buy a registered pistol lower and everything will be completely legal. I think a RR complete pistol lower is running about $300. BATFE is running at about a 5-6 month wait time. I'll post up a pick of mine tonight

 

[Flight954]

Sorry for the post pic delay, I was building the bottom rifle

 

[Rugrash]

The ATF views having all the parts to assemble an unregistered machinegun the same as having one already assembled. SBRs and MGs are both NFA weapons. I wouldn't test the waters.

It's called "constructive possession"...

-Rug

 

[biglucky]

Nice looking pistol build.

 

[hkusp1]

what's the difference between a rifle lower and a pistol lower?

 

[TSU45]

what's the difference between a rifle lower and a pistol lower?

Mechanically nothing.

As far as buying one stripped? Nothing now. My dealer used to ask which I wanted and declare it on the 4473 appropriately. He was instructed by the ATF to now put "receiver" for all of them. You have always been able to build a pistol lower into a rifle regardless if it was used as a pistol before or not. Just can't build a rifle receiver or former pistol built receiver, you then converted to rifle, into a pistol. All the receivers I bought before the ATF change went out the door as pistol recievers. Moot point now.

ETA clarification: Declaring the receiver is now a moot point, not turning a previously built-up rifle receiver into a pistol. You still can't do that.

 

[hkusp1]

ha it just dawned on me my father in law is an estate lawyer can anyone say hello revocable living trust.

 

[Rugrash]

The ATF views having all the parts to assemble an unregistered machinegun the same as having one already assembled. SBRs and MGs are both NFA weapons. I wouldn't test the waters.

It's called "constructive possession". I personally wouldn't do it until I had that form 1 back from the BATFE.

 

[spence76]

So I have an AR15 now and was considering getting a Rock River .223 pistol. Would ATF consider this have the components to build a SBR, even if they are correctly assembled and 1 is a rifle and 1 is registered as a pistol? This ATF stuff is a huge pain is the ass, would be easier if they would just leave us alone and go after actual criminals.

 

[sharky47]

As long as you have a legal way to assemble the parts in your possession, your good to go.

I.E. - if you have a short upper and a rifle lower, you better damn well have a pistol or SBR lower as well. If you don't have any lowers, you have have any upper. If you have any interest in having short uppers, build a pistol lower to keep around. Don't waste your money on buying a pistol lower - for some reason, vendors charge a premium for something that is mechanically identical. Buy a stripped lower that HAS NEVER BEEN ASSEMBLED before, and build it like normal except for the buffer tube - just put on of those tubes that will not accept a stock body and shazam!, you have a pistol lower.

Also, a lower that has been assembled into a rifle can never be a pistol - BUT - a lower that has been assembled into a pistol first can be changed back and forth provided you do it in such an order that you never have a unregistered SBR.

You will have to jump through these hoops as long as THE GANG continues to view the 2am as a revocable privilege instead of a right....

 

[Orclin]

What if I buy a disassembled lower from a 3rd party, no FTL paperwork, and have all the other parts (short upper, rifle upper, pistol tube, stock) to build either as I see fit.
Would that be an issue to the feds?
Scott