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ATF proposed rule 2021R-05, Definition of “Frame or Receiver” and Identification of Firearms.

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  • toddnjoyce

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    Pretty much one company in America is temporarily immune to ATF enforcement of the final rule. Notably, injunctive relief is not extended to their customers.

    “Tactical Machining has shown it is entitled to a preliminary injunction against Defendants’ enforcement of the Final Rule. Accordingly, the Court GRANTS the motion in part, DENIES the motion in part, and ORDERS that Defendants and their officers, agents, servants, and employees are enjoined from implementing and enforcing against Tactical Machining, LLC the provisions in 27 C.F.R. §§ 478.11 and 478.12 that this Order has determined are unlawful.”
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    Otto_Mation

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    There is no interest in reduction of violence. Every regulation on sales, production, and transfer is designed only to facilitate eventual confiscation at a later time, whether that be wholesale confiscation or one individual at a time. It's called gun control, not public safety for a reason.
    Quoted because this is exactly right. Further to this, if you look at how other countries evolved into communism, gun control was one of the first steps. Then criminals were set free. Then self defense from said criminals became nearly illegal. This is the point when your country is ripe for a communist government. Do you see any parallels to what is happening now? The democratic party wants to be the successor to our two party system and rule without an opposition party and is using socialist and communist tactics to achieve that goal. It is a process that they have been working on for years. It is a multi pronged plan that starts in our schools by grooming children. Gun control, regulation, big government, making people dependent upon government. The list goes on. Here is a video of how it happens from the 60's that outlines the plan. This is how long this has been going on. It is a long video but everything that he lays out is going on today.

    ETA: If you don't care to watch the whole video at least start at about 34:00.

     
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    BRD@66

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    Neal Knox explained this long ago & BATFE took his words as a challenge. To wit:

    "..If we had 'Mann Act Police', vacationing couples would experience the kind of harassment that gun dealers and collectors have experienced. There would be marriage license checks at state borders. That's because if a bureaucrat has only one law to enforce, survival of his agency demands finding someone who may be violating it... -Neal Knox on Sen. A. Specter's wondering whether BATF should be abolished, Am. Rifleman 3/96
     

    DoubleDuty

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    Quoted because this is exactly right. Further to this, if you look at how other countries evolved into communism, gun control was one of the first steps. Then criminals were set free. Then self defense from said criminals became nearly illegal. This is the point when your country is ripe for a communist government. Do you see any parallels to what is happening now? The democratic party wants to be the successor to our two party system and rule without an opposition party and is using socialist and communist tactics to achieve that goal. It is a process that they have been working on for years. It is a multi pronged plan that starts in our schools by grooming children. Gun control, regulation, big government, making people dependent upon government. The list goes on. Here is a video of how it happens from the 60's that outlines the plan. This is how long this has been going on. It is a long video but everything that he lays out is going on today.

    ETA: If you don't care to watch the whole video at least start at about 34:00.


    Yes this what they are doing. They no longer even hide it
     

    Axxe55

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    Quoted because this is exactly right. Further to this, if you look at how other countries evolved into communism, gun control was one of the first steps. Then criminals were set free. Then self defense from said criminals became nearly illegal. This is the point when your country is ripe for a communist government. Do you see any parallels to what is happening now? The democratic party wants to be the successor to our two party system and rule without an opposition party and is using socialist and communist tactics to achieve that goal. It is a process that they have been working on for years. It is a multi pronged plan that starts in our schools by grooming children. Gun control, regulation, big government, making people dependent upon government. The list goes on. Here is a video of how it happens from the 60's that outlines the plan. This is how long this has been going on. It is a long video but everything that he lays out is going on today.

    ETA: If you don't care to watch the whole video at least start at about 34:00.


    Hitler did the same thing in Germany in the 1930's. Guess who controlled all the guns?
     

    Chewbacca7685

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    I know all the '80%' receivers I find online require FFL but what about the 'FLATS' like the AK and CETME?

    I don't see AK flats anymore. I haven't seen CETME in a while.

    80% Arms still sells em directly since they have an injunction. I thought about grabbing one but for the money I’ll just grab a stripped lower at an LGS.


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    Eli

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    I know all the '80%' receivers I find online require FFL but what about the 'FLATS' like the AK and CETME?

    I don't see AK flats anymore. I haven't seen CETME in a while.
    RTG has both CETME-specific and standard G3-style flats catalogued: https://www.robertrtg.com/store/pc/Receiver-and-Build-Parts-c26.htm
    Most people quit messing with AK flats when the formed and heat treated blanks became available, it takes a LOT to make a proper AK receiver from an annealed flat.

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    Weren't they also asking for ammo purchases to be put the new 4473s?
    Prior to FOPA-86 going into law in 1986, ammunition purchases had to go into an A&D book like firearms.
    Of course, people that have NO idea how bad it was between '68 and '86 blame Reagan for 'banning machine guns' - which was tacked onto FOPA-86 as a poison pill by the democrats.

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    Prior to FOPA-86 going into law in 1986, ammunition purchases had to go into an A&D book like firearms.
    Of course, people that have NO idea how bad it was between '68 and '86 blame Reagan for 'banning machine guns' - which was tacked onto FOPA-86 as a poison pill by the democrats.

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    Handgun and rimfire ammo, not rifle ammo.
     

    benenglish

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    people that have NO idea how bad it was between '68 and '86 blame Reagan for 'banning machine guns' - which was tacked onto FOPA-86 as a poison pill by the democrats.
    I watched the vote live on CSPAN. The Hughes Amendment came up for a voice vote, the nay votes clearly won, and Charles Rangel just banged the gavel, declared it to have passed, and moved on.

    Watching sausage being made can really turn your stomach.
     

    toddnjoyce

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    Since the Northern District of Texas granted the injunction for P80 on Sunday, they started selling kits again.

    Yesterday, it appears ATF is going to ignore that injunction.

    “People who engage in the business of dealing firearms are subject to the Gun Control Act,” said ATF Director Steven Dettelbach. “That means they need to run background checks and sell guns with serial numbers. That is what the ghost gun rule is about. Today’s advisory is simple. If you’re dealing firearms — including items that can be readily converted to a working firearm — ATF is going to make sure that you are following the same laws as everyone else.

    That statement about readily converted could also apply to the brace rule.

    ATF new release: https://www.atf.gov/news/pr/atf-iss...-federal-firearms-licensees-manufacturers-and

    ATF Public Safety Advisory: https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/g...firearms-licensees-and-firearm-parts/download
     
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    Eastexasrick

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    Those chiken sh-t bastards just created a whole new " statutory definition" where none existed. By doing so they are attempting to make an occurrence that was fully legal, prior to this press release, illegal by statute. Even know the definition ( readily) of said occurrence never existed in statutory law.

    Below is from the March 21, 2023 official advisory.

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    Public Safety Advisory Background The Frame or Receiver Final Rule, among other things, updates the regulatory definitions of “frame” and “receiver,” and adds a definition of “readily”
    – an undefined statutory term in the GCA

    This makes readily a statutory term. Doing this without any legal support or promulgation should set every Jurist hair on fire.
     

    oldag

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    Since the Northern District of Texas granted the injunction for P80 on Sunday, they started selling kits again.

    Yesterday, it appears ATF is going to ignore that injunction.

    “People who engage in the business of dealing firearms are subject to the Gun Control Act,” said ATF Director Steven Dettelbach. “That means they need to run background checks and sell guns with serial numbers. That is what the ghost gun rule is about. Today’s advisory is simple. If you’re dealing firearms — including items that can be readily converted to a working firearm — ATF is going to make sure that you are following the same laws as everyone else.

    That statement about readily converted could also apply to the brace rule.

    ATF new release: https://www.atf.gov/news/pr/atf-iss...-federal-firearms-licensees-manufacturers-and

    ATF Public Safety Advisory: https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/g...firearms-licensees-and-firearm-parts/download
    The liberals always ignore any court ruling they don't like.
     

    seeker_two

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    Since the Northern District of Texas granted the injunction for P80 on Sunday, they started selling kits again.

    Yesterday, it appears ATF is going to ignore that injunction.

    “People who engage in the business of dealing firearms are subject to the Gun Control Act,” said ATF Director Steven Dettelbach. “That means they need to run background checks and sell guns with serial numbers. That is what the ghost gun rule is about. Today’s advisory is simple. If you’re dealing firearms — including items that can be readily converted to a working firearm — ATF is going to make sure that you are following the same laws as everyone else.

    That statement about readily converted could also apply to the brace rule.

    ATF new release: https://www.atf.gov/news/pr/atf-iss...-federal-firearms-licensees-manufacturers-and

    ATF Public Safety Advisory: https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/g...firearms-licensees-and-firearm-parts/download

    This is where Texas LEOs need to start arresting any BATFE agent that enforces this for Official Oppression and Impersonating Law Enforcement (none of the BAT-troops have TCOLE certs, do they?)....
     
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