ATF Rules Honey Badger Pistol is an SBR

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ATF Rules Q's Honey Badger Pistol is a Short Barrel Rifle, Issues Cease and Desist Letter - The Truth About Guns

&#9664Previous Post Next Post▶ Q, makers of the Honey Badger pistol, has just issued the following notice to its customers: Dear Customer: On August 3rd, 2020, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (“ATF”) issued Q® a formal Cease & Desist letter, notifying us that ATF has...

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Q is fighting back, but stay tuned if you own one or own another pistol with the same type of brace.

 

[Bozz10mm]

I wonder why they picked the Honey badger to rule as an SBR. What makes it different from an AR556 pistol or 300 BO pistol with the SBA brace? This is not good.

 

[DyeF9]

Sounds like they're starting their next interpreted law campaign against braces

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[candcallen]

They had to pick one to start with.

All pistol braces will eventually be under fire.

 

[Bozz10mm]

I'm thinking, just take the brace off then. Why are they talking about separating upper and lower and storing under some else's control while waiting for SBR approval?

 

[candcallen]

Constructive possession.

Thought crimes.

Bull shit

 

[TX OMFS]

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[studenygreg]

I figured it would happen eventually. Those "braces" steadily started looking and acting more like stocks ever since they came out. They kept pushing closer and closer to that line between the 2.

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[Rhino]

I figured it would happen eventually. Those "braces" steadily started looking and acting more like stocks ever since they came out. They kept pushing closer and closer to that line between the 2.

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Infringement is still infringement. We need to unite against this.

 

[PeoplePhobic]

The LOP on this brace is a bit much.

 

[toddnjoyce]

Unfortunately, I think the telescoping brace that appears to me to be independent of the buffer tube may have been the straw that broke the camel’s back for Q.

 

[PeoplePhobic]

Unfortunately, I think the telescoping brace that appears to me to be independent of the buffer tube may have been the straw that broke the camel’s back for Q.

It actually looks like it comes out of the upper.

 

[V-Tach]

LOP of brace is very important to a person with a disability................which is what the brace was designed for..............

 

[TX OMFS]

Infringement is still infringement. We need to unite against this.

Yep. I was disappointed in the Fudds who didn't care about the bumpstocks. We should fight all of it.

 

[toddnjoyce]

Yep, proprietary brace is cited by FATD; also goes on to state other products using the same/similar brace may get the same ruling applied.

https://mcusercontent.com/557cc802f23161a8ffe100a66/files/dd6aa903-36c2-4d14-9de5-91aa62215cd2/Q_LLC_6_02_02814_Cease_Desist_Letter.pdf

Q responded that the ruling was capricious in that other stabilizing braces are good to go, so this one should be as well. I think it may come down to whether the brace is removable or not. I don’t know if the Q design is capable of that.

ETA: It also appears the Q Honey Badger rifle uses the exact same proprietary brace as the pistol does. That may not be helping Q. But the Sugar Weasel uses an off the shelf SBA3 which ATF recently reversed their opinion on, too.

This mind of regulatory flip flopping has to stop.

 

[Renegade]

I figured it would happen eventually. Those "braces" steadily started looking and acting more like stocks ever since they came out. They kept pushing closer and closer to that line between the 2.

Exactly. This was inevitable. Akins Accelerator, Sig Muzzle Device, Bump Stocks, and now this. Stevie Wonder could have seen this coming.

No serious gun owner can say with a straight face this was a not a stock. It was a scam from the beginning, hard to see how ATF allowed it in the first place.

 

[flgfish]

This is why I have avoided building a pistol. The ATF are a joke.

 

[Renegade]

This is why I have avoided building a pistol. The ATF are a joke.

Build a pistol if you want. Dont use a brace. No problem.

 

[Maverick44]

Exactly. This was inevitable. Akins Accelerator, Sig Muzzle Device, Bump Stocks, and now this. Stevie Wonder could have seen this coming.

No serious gun owner can say with a straight face this was a not a stock. It was a scam from the beginning, hard to see how ATF allowed it in the first place.

Because the first one was legitimately a brace designed to help disabled people, and because the ATF kept allowing new designs until they backed themselves into a corner that they couldn't fight their way out of without serious issues. So, they relented and continued to allow them.

Those braces are the strongest argument we have for removing SBRs from the NFA. If anyone can just slap a brace on a gun with a barrel under 16", it makes the whole SBR thing a moot point. Any imagined benefit to that law is gone.

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[TheDan]

Infringement is still infringement. We need to unite against this.

yep