Banks at it again, Targeting Spikes Tactical now

[sharkey]

It’s a strawman because you reframed the arguments being made. You phrased your question around the idea that anyone disagreeing with you was in favor of this banks decision. There is a difference between being in favor of these types of decisions, and being against expanded government regulation.

Or maybe that is the way you perceived my reply? I get it, everyone is AGAINST the bank's decision. We just disagree on how to solve it. There are so many govt. regulations - IRS, EPA, BATFE, DOD, FDIC, etc. many of them totally worthless and costing tax payers billions so I really don't see how regulating a corporate bank to operate fairly is going to turn the US into Venezuela. Too bad you'll weren't around for FDR.

So something should be done to stop them from exercising their right? That doesn’t sound good.

So you are arguing for the right of the bank to operate unfairly??

Yes, I would rather people be allowed to exercise their rights in both personal life and business than have the gov step in and start screwing things up worse.

So by your above statement, there should be no govt. regulations at all? How very anarchist of you. Heck, why have a federal govt. at all? I dunno, when I look at the last couple decades, I would saythings are pretty FUBAR by govt. standards. That said, we STILL need a federal govt. to oversee interstate commerce (again that is what this bank does) and to keep state and municipalities from overstepping their bounds. Those framers were smart. One regulation to even the playing field for all legitimate lawful businesses and you'll think the Republic goes to hell for it?

The government should enforce the constitution. Nothing more. States can handle the details.

I am all for that but that doesn't apply here now does it?

Are they not owned by US citizens?

I dunno? You do know we have Corporations inside the US that are owned by people outside the US right?

I don’t know what this is about.

There is a lawyer on TGT that is always whining about LE over reach so I figured he would come here but I guess not. I don't know what if any Constitutional Rights and more specifically the Bill of Rights apply to corporations.

Someone steps in and makes a profit because that’s how capitalism works.

I'm all for capitalism............................for EVERY LEGITIMATE LAWFUL BUSINESS. Spikes Tactical is getting screwed on their capitalism part. You'll are just like, "oh well, go bank somewhere else." How very German Nazi-esque.

The commerce clause has been raped worse than a teen at one of Kavanaughs fictional gang bang parties.

Well we agree on that. You'll are just kinda like - "just let them continue to get gang raped. It's not my problem. Capitalism you know." (When I mention gang rape, I am speaking figuratively). I feel the need for a disclaimer.

I feel like that is a bad thing and don’t support actions to further expand fed power beyond what the founders ever intended. These encroachments are breaking the balance of power they carefully set up and are a large part of why we are currently so screwed up as a country.

To some extent, you are indeed correct. You are leaving out some other bad actors. Corporate misdeeds and fraud and don't forget the apathy of many American people and their constant desire to do what is easy over what is right.

 

[sharkey]

Ok, so you're just anti corporation... or maybe just anti bank.

Just as I don't believe I'll change your mind, there is nothing you've posted that has even remotely affected my position. Have a nice day.

Sure, whatever. Good day to you too.

 

[diesel1959]

You are exactly right and that is how it is for now. Dunno your age but is that how you felt in the 60's with the civil rights law? "Well it's not right that blacks aren't allowed to bank at First Trust and I guess they will have to find another bank to do business at but I sure don't want MY govt. getting involved. Lord knows we have enough regulations as it is."
See I am for liberty and the pursuit of happiness for EVERY citizen and legitimate business, not just for certain protected classes. The bank is truly not allowing Spikes Tactical the pursuit of their happiness and the chance to engage in lawful commerce. We all agree that is not right, we disagree on what should be done about it. Somehow and somewhere you'll think that the govt. solving this is a strike against your civil liberties. I don't.

Nothing "needs to be done about it" . . . except to continually get the word out to let folks know so that they can make their own informed decisions whether in their business life or personal life.

 

[diesel1959]

"Sounds to me like...." I will say that is a great communication technique. So wanting a legitimate lawful business to have the same right to bank as other legitimate lawful businesses is limiting freedom? Again I will ask you the same Q I asked Diesel. Why are there protected classes and why shouldn't any lawful business have the ability to bank at oh I dunno, a bank? Fine take your money elsewhere...........for now. What happens when conservatives, or christians or muslims, or porno directors can't bank at certain places? ALBM - All lawful businesses matter or none matter.
I'm gonna guess you have a mortgage? What happens if every financial institution that holds mortgages decide to call the loan on every one that voted republican in the mid-term? It is obviously within their right to do so when you signed the contract. Is your chance to pursue liberty and happiness constrained? I don't doubt their is govt. tyranny in the US (hell check my other posts) but their is also corporate tyranny and both should be dealt with (I Know, I am living a pipe dream) and last I checked it was a govt. of the people for the people and as one of the people, I really don't think that asking a bank to abide by fair practices of banking for EVERYONE is a form of communism. Geez, get a grip people.

Again, this is totally different if it was a sole proprietor business which does have the right to choose who they want as customers. I would even go as far as them being able to exclude whoever regardless of protected class. In fact, there would be no protected classes in my Republic form of Govt. only citizens and non-citizens. Oh the horror..............

The bank can only "call my loan" in accordance with the terms of the mortgage and loan agreements we both signed. And "voting republican" ain't in the paperwork, so that dog don't hunt.

 

[benenglish]

What happens when ... porno directors can't bank at certain places?

I tend to wonder to what extent the profit motive solves these sorts of problems. For a very long time, porn productions couldn't get bank loans. For many years, the biggest single bank in the industry was alternatively known as "Ron Jeremy's dentist". IOW, private funding took the place of banks. (In that industry, private funding is still the norm even though they have more options than they once did.)

Spikes is different. There are huge regulatory hurdles hindering retail businesses from doing day-to-day transactions with customers without the help of banks.

But there are plenty of smart people who have seen discrimination in this sector as a problem for a long, long time. I wonder if the future of anonymous cryptocurrencies envisioned by its many advocates will ever come to pass? If it does, this entire thread will be rendered moot.

I can only hope.

 

[sharkey]

Nothing "needs to be done about it" . . . except to continually get the word out to let folks know so that they can make their own informed decisions whether in their business life or personal life.

So nothing needed to be done in the 60's either? I would think Spikes Tactical probably thinks something needs to be done.

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[sharkey]

The bank can only "call my loan" in accordance with the terms of the mortgage and loan agreements we both signed. And "voting republican" ain't in the paperwork, so that dog don't hunt.

Perhaps I was too dramatic on my example. Of course I am sure Spikes signed paperwork to open their account and I would guess they were abiding by the policies set forth in the application but then poof one day they are persona non grata.
Why bother trying to right a wrong....

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[diesel1959]

 

[easy rider]

The bank is truly not allowing Spikes Tactical the pursuit of their happiness and the chance to engage in lawful commerce. We all agree that is not right, we disagree on what should be done about it. Somehow and somewhere you'll think that the govt. solving this is a strike against your civil liberties. I don't.

Spikes has the freedom of choosing another bank for their pursuit of their happiness and the chance to engage in lawful commerce. That's why I brought up Wells Fargo:
https://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2018/10/wells-fargo-extends-ruger-credit/

 

[sharkey]

Spikes has the freedom of choosing another bank for their pursuit of their happiness and the chance to engage in lawful commerce. That's why I brought up Wells Fargo:
https://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2018/10/wells-fargo-extends-ruger-credit/

Sure they do...........for now and at great unwarranted expense. Breitbart just ran a story of a kin in NC wearing a red white and blue football jersey with Trump 45 on the back on patriots day and the school made him remove it. Their rules right so no problem. Again, why have protected classes.

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[Lunyfringe]

So nothing needed to be done in the 60's either? I would think Spikes Tactical probably thinks something needs to be done.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that you don't have the authority to speak for Spikes Tactical. I have seen them publicizing that Fifth Third is a turd (my wording, not theirs), but have not seen a call for gov't regulation from them.

 

[sharkey]

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Great distraction with the Meme rather than answering the question I posed to you.

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[sharkey]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that you don't have the authority to speak for Spikes Tactical. I have seen them publicizing that Fifth Third is a turd (my wording, not theirs), but have not seen a call for gov't regulation from them.

Hey I thought you left. Did not know I needed authority to speak for Spikes Tactical. Are You'll planning a March on DC when Congress is in Session to oppose any new regulations? There will be hundreds. I do give DT credit for removing a lot of useless ones.

Again, why have protected classes? If corporations that are gonna treat their customers unfairly, they should be able to do it for whoever they want, right. It is the American way.

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[kyletxria1911a1]

As malcolm x said by any means necessary.

 

[Kingarthur777]

It doesn't, as long as they don't discriminate against a legally protected class member.

For loans. But, they can't tell a person with millions and millions of dollars in their bank just to piss off, I don't agree with your Civil Rights position. That gets them sued, and they will lose.

 

[Younggun]

Sure they do...........for now and at great unwarranted expense. Breitbart just ran a story of a kin in NC wearing a red white and blue football jersey with Trump 45 on the back on patriots day and the school made him remove it. Their rules right so no problem. Again, why have protected classes.

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You realize there is a difference between banks, businesses, and schools, right?

The school issued is completely different with completely different solutions.


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[Younggun]

Again, why have protected classes? If corporations that are gonna treat their customers unfairly, they should be able to do it for whoever they want, right. It is the American way.

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Agreed.


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[Kingarthur777]

Their business, their rules. My money, my rules. It's called free market enterprise, get over it. Don't use them or move your money, your choice. We don't need any more laws and/or regulations telling businesses how to do it. The govt can't even run a whorehouse. (good legend anyway). I won't do business with anyone who opposes my view of the 2A and it's my choice to do so. If enough do it, it "might" hurt. But at least I'll do my part. Can you tell I'm self-employed and have been for a long time.

That is the point, people who decide you don't have a Bill of Rights randomly, should hurt, financially. A good case for a Civil Rights Violation suit.

 

[Lunyfringe]

Hey I thought you left. Did not know I needed authority to speak for Spikes Tactical. Are You'll planning a March on DC when Congress is in Session to oppose any new regulations? There will be hundreds. I do give DT credit for removing a lot of useless ones.

Again, why have protected classes? If corporations that are gonna treat their customers unfairly, they should be able to do it for whoever they want, right. It is the American way.

I forgot to unsubscribe...

I'll remember this time... too much derp.

 

[easy rider]

Examples of governments regulating all aspects of business can be seen in the communist countries of today and in the past. In a totally free society a business could discriminate against whomever they wish. Businesses don't always fail because they have a bad product, they also fail due to bad business practices.

People have hurt businesses that had bad businesses practices through boycotts, some has even failed in that respect. People can be more effective than any government regulations, and that's the way it should be.

I don't like the tactics that Fifth Third Bank has made, but it is their right. Therefore I plan to boycott them and any other banks that do that, and if enough people follow suit it will hurt them.

More government control only leads to less freedom.