Bible verse talk

[mikeofcontex]

I'd recommend "The God Who Justifies" by James White. It is from the Reformed/Calvinist perspective. I don't agree with everything in it, but it is one of the best explanations of these Biblical concepts from that theology.

I take a position much like Dr. Walter Martin. When you are dealing with an all-powerful and all-knowing being, there doesn't need to be a conflict between freedom and God's plan/sovereignty, just a lot of paradoxes, which is okay. I even subscribe to some aspects of Open Theism, which advocates that there may be some things God cannot know for sure about the future actions of free beings, only the probabilities.

Which is it? Is He all-knowing or just a forgetful old granpa in heaven? You can't have it both ways.

 

[JohnnyLoco]

Which is it? Is He all-knowing or just a forgetful old granpa in heaven? You can't have it both ways.

The all knowing. Job 37:16.

There is still a lot to be explained about what it means to "know" something, or the scope of knowledge itself.

It is even harder to comprehend the nature of knowledge of the Creator himself. Isaiah 55:9

 

[breakingcontact]

If you guys dont have Bible apps on your smart phones you should check them out. Really good ones out there with study plans and of course every translation you can imagine. Some will read to you as well.

You've got to know when to use a Bible and when to use a rifle.

 

[ROGER4314]

Duplicate post...sorry.

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[ROGER4314]

I do not go to church but have learned many worthwhile things from the Bible. My favorite is Galatians 6:7
"...........whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap."

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[Das Jared]

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[breakingcontact]

Regarding "judge not lest ye be judged": im not saying Vaq doesnt get Matthew 7:1 but our culture doesnt. We are actually called to discern (especially within the church) but we dont have authority to condemn.

Church discipline is laid out in the NT and it involves lots of discernment and calling sin as sin.

You've got to know when to use a Bible and when to use a rifle.

 

[Vaquero]

Regarding "judge not lest ye be judged": im not saying Vaq doesnt get Matthew 7:1 but our culture doesnt. We are actually called to discern (especially within the church) but we dont have authority to condemn.

Church discipline is laid out in the NT and it involves lots of discernment and calling sin as sin.

You've got to know when to use a Bible and when to use a rifle.

Love the sinner, hate the sin.
I get it. I just struggle with application.
I very often find myself condemning the actor as much or more than the sin commited.
Yet I sin.

 

[mikeofcontex]

Sinners are condemned already... the judge has already spoken. Regardless, our message is the same. Repent and place your faith in the finished work of Jesus and you shall be saved.

 

[breakingcontact]

Love the sinner, hate the sin.
I get it. I just struggle with application.
I very often find myself condemning the actor as much or more than the sin commited.
Yet I sin.

Right. Paul often described that. How he hated his sin so much but found himself returning to it.

I think many people misuse this phrase to basically say we can't call out sin and dont have any business saying what is right or wrong. We are called to, in ourselves in the world and in the church call out sin but with a loving soft heart not a hard condemning heart.

You've got to know when to use a Bible and when to use a rifle.

 

[JohnnyLoco]

Right. Paul often described that. How he hated his sin so much but found himself returning to it.

I think many people misuse this phrase to basically say we can't call out sin and dont have any business saying what is right or wrong. We are called to, in ourselves in the world and in the church call out sin but with a loving soft heart not a hard condemning heart.

You've got to know when to use a Bible and when to use a rifle.

I get what you are saying. Outside the church, that phrase is used to prevent Christians from calling out anything evil.

Within the church, it is used to prevent any critique of heretical teachings, or to purge the community of immoral, false teachers.

But on the other side, when I hear "judge not, lest ye be judged," I immediately think of the backbiting and gossiping that occurs in some churches, or otherwise the phoniness and worldliness of many of the members.

 

[breakingcontact]

I get what you are saying. Outside the church, that phrase is used to prevent Christians from calling out anything evil.

Within the church, it is used to prevent any critique of heretical teachings, or to purge the community of immoral, false teachers.

But on the other side, when I hear "judge not, lest ye be judged," I immediately think of the backbiting and gossiping that occurs in some churches, or otherwise the phoniness and worldliness of many of the members.

Matthew 18:15-17 NIV

“If your brother or sister sins, go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’ If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector."

You've got to know when to use a Bible and when to use a rifle.

 

[Mexican_Hippie]

Proverbs 27:17

As iron sharpens iron, so man sharpens his fellow man.

I thought it was particularly relevant to this thread.

 

[Blayglock]

And Jacob sod pottage. Genesis 25:29a KJV




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[breakingcontact]

Proverbs 27:17

As iron sharpens iron, so man sharpens his fellow man.

I thought it was particularly relevant to this thread.

Definitely something to embrace. Good to be encouraged and encourage others.

You've got to know when to use a Bible and when to use a rifle.

 

[ROGER4314]

Not locked yet? Well................

The 23rd Psalm got me through a lot of violence in my life. I cannot recite text verbatim and never could. I tried for years to remember that Psalm, I got the words right but could never keep them in the correct order. I carried a tiny copy of the Psalm in my wallet until it just fell apart.

In the depths of my dark days, I modified the message a bit:
"Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil because I am the meanest SOB in the valley."

No offense is intended but it got me through a lot of dangerous stuff.

To give equal time, I'll post it as I remember it. I know it's not right but this is how it stuck in my head:

"Yea though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil for thou art with me. Thy rod and thy staff comfort me. Surely goodness and mercy shall comfort me all the days of my life and I will dwell in the house of the Lord forever."

Those words and I have been through some nasty things together.

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[breakingcontact]

Good Sunday morning to you all.

You've got to know when to use a Bible and when to use a rifle.