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Bill Approving Non-Physician Abortions

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  1. ShootWhenICan

    ShootWhenICan Active Member

    Apr 5, 2012
    If you think Gov. Brown won't sign that new gun bill that will be on his desk soon........think again.

    If he's capable of this, he is capable of anything!

    [h=2]CA Gov. Jerry Brown To Sign Bill Approving Non-Physician Abortions[/h]

    Via Breitbart:
    A bill that would allow non-physicians to perform abortions in the first trimester of pregnancy is awaiting signature by Gov. Jerry Brown of California by Sep. 30. The bill, AB 154, passed both houses of the state legislature with strong support from Planned Parenthood and pro-choice groups. Planned Parenthood stands to benefit most directly from the bill, as non-physician staff at its clinics would be able to obtain abortion licenses.

    One doctor–who identified himself as pro-choice–told Breitbart News that “the bill is a disaster since it sends us back 100 years to the problems of the complications from back-steet abortions.” The bill’s critics warn that the training provided to non-physician staff is weak, that supervision by physicians in clinics will be minimal, and that there is real risk of injury or death to women who will be treated in such conditions.

    The California Medical Association has endorsed AB 154 because of “provisions for training in the bill and the amendments that clarify physician supervision.” Yet the training is to be provided by the Board of Registered Nursing, not by physicians, and the protocols for defining “supervision” have not been specified. There is nothing in the legislation requiring a physician to be present or on-site during an abortion.

    The bill permits licensed non-physicians to perform two kinds of abortion in the first trimester–by medication, and by aspiration, which requires the insertion of medical instruments into the uterus. Though many doctors agree that non-physicians could provide medications with few risks, the idea that a non-physician would perform an invasive procedure such as aspiration strikes many as rife with risks.

  2. breakingcontact

    breakingcontact TGT Addict

    Oct 16, 2012
    Simply heart breaking any time an unborn baby's right to life is taken away.

    This latest push by the left is them really showing their hand though. They don't care about the life of the mother either.
  3. steve-o

    steve-o Well-Known

    Jul 30, 2011
    Wow, how can they claim they are advocates of women's health while at the same time making an already dangerous procedure possibly more dangerous? Just when I thought I've wrapped my head around the potential of the libs, they unfortunately surprise me.
  4. Mic

    Mic TGT Addict TGT Supporter

    Jan 3, 2009
    Well, setting aside the moral opposition to abortions, don't most of us feel that we should be moving to less medical regulation?

    For example, shouldn't we have access to antibiotics without going to a doctor?
    Shouldn't we be able to deliver babies with midwives?
    Shouldn't we be legally allowed to use marijuana to treat medical problems?
    Shouldn't we be able to treat ourselves for certain medical conditions?
    Shouldn't we be able to use herbal medicine?

    I think this falls in line with the rest of it. I understand that there is opposition to abortion, but setting that aside, we should be moving toward letting people work outside of the establishment medical system if they so choose.
  5. Texas42

    Texas42 TGT Addict

    Nov 21, 2008
    No, you shouldn't have access to ABx. Not popular here, I know. But ABx get abused plenty already. I don't want to open the flood gates of abuse that will make us powerless against the common bacterial for generations to come. New antibiotics a few and far between. Novel antibiotics come about every few decades and there are none in the pipe-line.

    Yes, you can already use a mid-wife.

    Move to CO, you can "treat" yourself with MJ. It has little medical value and plenty of side effects. THC derived products are available to the MD's, but they don't use them.

    You already can treat yourself for most medical conditions, it starts with diet, exercise, weight control, and not smoking. Heck, plenty of insulin is over the counter.

    You already can use herbal medicine. It may or may not work. Who knows? it hasn't been tested.

    I have no clue what is in the above bill.
  6. breakingcontact

    breakingcontact TGT Addict

    Oct 16, 2012
    Because the agents of the devil want to kill and destroy. People of God love innocent life.

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  7. Acera

    Acera TGT Addict

    Jan 17, 2011
    Republic of Texas
    Other countries are like that. Went with a family member as she went into a pharmacy in the Philippines and order up what she needed without any prescription at all.

    The AMA is not your friend.
  8. breakingcontact

    breakingcontact TGT Addict

    Oct 16, 2012
    Look at California. Mess any way you measure it. The politicians there want religion destroyed, families destroyed, the environment protected and worshipped and the economy destroyed.

    This is just another way to further the hellish chaos and confusion that is the prelude to total control.

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  9. rgwalt

    rgwalt Active Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    Houston Heights
    Insulin isn't OTC, and it is very expensive. My wife is Type 1, and her medical supplies are a significant portion of our monthly budget. Some de-regulation would be helpful for that I think, as would the ability to buy insurance in a more free/open market where companies would compete against one another. But, that is off-topic for this thread.

    I know it is an unpopular view on this board, but increasing access to contraception needs to go hand-in-hand with more restrictive abortion laws. The rate of abortion in this country approximately matches the average failure rate of contraception, which tells me that abortions are not being used as a primary means of birth control. People are going to have sex, like it or not. And people are going to get pregnant as a result. I would hope that people would be personally accountable for their actions and would take care of their children, but we have a nation of people that are unwilling to take care of themselves. They don't need kids they can't take care of...

    Secondly, with the new abortion restrictions in TX, we may actually see a higher abortion rate. Take some friends of mine for example... Due to some funny looking blood work, a 35 year old pregnant woman was told that their baby had an elevated risk of many medical conditions, several of which wouldn't have let the child live much past birth. Under the old 24 week rule, they had enough time for the baby to develop to the point of being able to make better imaging assessments. The new 20 week rule will likely lead to more invasive tests (when funny blood work comes back) and more pre-imptive abortions on the thought "Something doesn't look right, but if we go beyond the 20 week mark, terminating the pregnancy becomes much more difficult". The law of unintended consequences is a real bitch.
  10. benenglish

    benenglish Lifetime Supporter Staff Member Lifetime Member Admin

    Nov 22, 2011
    Uh, no.

    It depends on the type. Some (generally older) types of insulin are definitely available OTC. Weirdly, some pharmacies give you more static about buying needles than they do about insulin.

    Your misconception, by the way, is common. Most young pharmacy techs will look at you like you're crazy if you're the first person to just walk up to them and ask for insulin. Invariably, you'll have to talk to the pharmacist who will then use the situation as a teaching moment for their junior staff.

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