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Bump Stocks == Machine Guns?

Discussion in 'Gun Legislation' started by benenglish, Dec 29, 2017.

  1. ZX9RCAM

    ZX9RCAM Over the Rainbow bridge... TGT Supporter

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    Since the comment request is specific, and I don't care about them, or binary triggers, or that stuff, I should not comment?
     


  2. easy rider

    easy rider Allotropic Transformer TGT Supporter

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    I don't know, how many miles have you given an inch at a time?
     
  3. benenglish

    benenglish Lifetime Supporter Staff Member Moderator Lifetime Member Admin

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    I think I know your situation well enough to understand that you're not a manufacturer or retailer. According to the request for comment, the specific information sought from "Consumers" such as you is:
    Whether or not you choose to comment is up to you.

    My personal opinion is that all "Consumers" should comment. I'm sure all the manufacturers and many of the retailers are putting a great deal of effort into doing so.
     
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  4. benenglish

    benenglish Lifetime Supporter Staff Member Moderator Lifetime Member Admin

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    Filed my comment. If anybody wants to read it when it comes up on the site, my tracking number is 1k1-90mr-pzuz.
     
  5. Shady

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    that may be true but this is posted under supplementary info.

    Those engaged in the business of manufacturing, importing, or dealing in NFA firearms must be registered with the Attorney General. 26 U.S.C. 5801, 5802. When the NFA was enacted in 1934, only a handful of firearms qualified as machineguns, such as the Thompson submachine gun. Over time, however, as firearms technologies have advanced, manufacturers and the public have attempted to develop firearms, triggers, and other devices that permit shooters to use semiautomatic rifles to replicate automatic fire without converting these rifles into “machineguns” within the meaning of the statute. Consequently, questions have arisen about whether these types of devices should be classified as machineguns (or machinegun conversion devices) pursuant to section 5845(b). See, e.g., Internal Revenue Ruling 55-528 (1955) (considering whether types of “Gatling Guns” constitute machineguns); ATF Ruling 2006-2 (examining a firearms accessory device that, when activated by a single pull of the trigger, initiated an automatic firing cycle that continued until release).



     
  6. Shady

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    this was my comment

    as a consumer

    I have seen bumpfire stocks found for sale at online retailers,gun shows,private party sales,and multiple auction sites.

    The price depending on the manufacturer has been $100 to $800

    All the adds and info on the stocks is to have fun with a legal to own weapon. And to let you try and reach the built in rate of fire a simi auto rifle can achieve if you are not capable of shooting as fast as a skilled marksman like Jerry ‎Miculek who can shoot faster than most people using a bumpfire stock with a regular gun.

    I see no point in trying to reclassify gun parts that do not alter the rate of fire or number of bullets fired per pull of the trigger as a machine gun. And the bump stock dose not do either.
     
  7. Renegade

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    BATFE is definitely counting on Pastor Neimoller to do nothing.
     
  8. benenglish

    benenglish Lifetime Supporter Staff Member Moderator Lifetime Member Admin

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    If that was your comment, it will not be considered. The format of a comment is not specified but certain elements are absolute requirements and without them the comments will be discarded. Your comment fails to specify the agency, does not specifically tie each paragraph of your comment to the question being answered, and does not specify the docket number.

    From the Request for Comments:
     
  9. ZX9RCAM

    ZX9RCAM Over the Rainbow bridge... TGT Supporter

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    So, out of hundreds of comments, about 12 will be considered.....






    Sorry, couldn't resist.
     
  10. benenglish

    benenglish Lifetime Supporter Staff Member Moderator Lifetime Member Admin

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    The language in the request is subject to interpretation and perhaps some shortcomings will be allowed to slide. The failure to include the docket number in the body of the comment, however, is fatal. The requirement for its inclusion is repeated several times.

    And you make a good point. Lots of people do business with the federal government not because they're good at their jobs but because they have people on staff who understand how to read and perfectly follow directions. There are lots of small businesses who could go after government contracts but throw up their hands in disgust when they realize what a labyrinthine paper trail they must follow. The paperwork is a killer

    In these cases, I feel fairly sure that comments are run against a script that looks for a string of characters in the docket number format. If no such string is found, the comments will go straight to /dev/null.
     


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