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  • Texas42

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    Hey Yall,

    I thought i would ask your opionons on the upcomming debate (or more likely lack thereof) of healthcare. It seems pretty obvious to me that Obama and company want to try and shove a bill through congress that will give the US a socialized healthcare system of sorts, or cause the US to be on the road to a imminent socialized healthcare system.

    I just would like yall's take on the whole thing. These next few years will have a very big impact on my future (I'm in med school, btw).

    I'm rooting against the whole thing, but I'd like your opinions.
     

    oldguy

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    As a senior on low fixed income paying more then I can afford with Medicare and supplemental insurance I'm totally against the national health care system, what we will have is rationed health care which will apply to all especially seniors, from information I'm reading government will decide who gets what, if your considered too old to "save" then you will not receive necessary care or it will be very limited.

    My doctor has already indicated to me he will retire early if this is passed we will lose many doctors and those young people like yourself will look to other careers. While health care cost are too high and that I agree however there are other ways to contain cost. We continue to allow millions of people with little education and very few prospects to enter this country adding to already burdened system and we spending money to build roads, schools in Irag, Pakistan while as a country we are failing, strange thinking in my opinion.

    All in all I consider this administration,anti-capitalism therefore anti-American. Sorry for the ranting but three months of this administration for this old person has been a nightmare with more to come.
     

    DCortez

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    Aside from the military, I can't think of one thing the government does that is worth a squat. Does anyone seriously trust a bureaucrat over a doctor.

    My wife's side of the family has healthcare professionals in Canada. They do not like the system and come to America for their own services.

    Google will give you more ammo.
     

    Jemplayer

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    As great as free health care would be, how can any rational U.S. Citizen really be for it? Look at how well social security or welfare is run. Health care by our goverment would be 10x worse.

    In European countries with free health care the routine stuff seems to work out OK, but with SHTF type stuff like cancer it routine to hear about how somebody was denied this or that because some bean counter weighed the cost vs the age and probability of survival and denied them. And in Britain if this happens to you and you go "Well I'll pay for it out of my own pocket" your kicked off the national health care plan for everthing.
     

    CharlieBear

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    Guys/Gals,

    This is a subject that is very close to my heart.

    Worst Case, Medicare for everyone! Think about it, Medicare is basically Socialized type program. Its just for seniors (at this stage of the game). To finance it, the government will let BCBS be the 800 pound gorilla (its technically a non for profit)(go figure), and The Govt, will have no choice but raise our taxes via our paychecks.

    Or raise the State Medicaid income limits to god knows what.... As always, the taxpayers will be pinged for that as well via state taxes and subsidized via the feds.

    Or...Leave it alone, let the market forces take over...Business' and individuals are dropping health coverage benefits and/or raising the deductable limits. Prices will drop to try to bring in more beneficiarys...

    Can the free market fix itself before this happens?

    Anyone know what an HSA is??? (I have one)

    Charlie Bear
     

    GM.Chief

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    Only remotely for it, meaning the only ones that I think should get help are people who WILL DIE without treatment(i/e Leukemia, etc.). Even then, to be honest, I'm still on the fence and leaning towards anti.
     

    M. Sage

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    I know folks who left England - their lives, friends and families - to escape the socialist hell of their health care system.

    Google will give you more ammo.

    Head on over to Google and search for "NHS doctor shortage", NHS being the UK health system. Also search up "Canada doctor shortage". They don't have enough caregivers...

    As great as free health care would be, how can any rational U.S. Citizen really be for it? Look at how well social security or welfare is run. Health care by our goverment would be 10x worse.

    In European countries with free health care the routine stuff seems to work out OK, but with SHTF type stuff like cancer it routine to hear about how somebody was denied this or that because some bean counter weighed the cost vs the age and probability of survival and denied them. And in Britain if this happens to you and you go "Well I'll pay for it out of my own pocket" your kicked off the national health care plan for everthing.

    I just want to point out that this health care is not "free." We'd still have to pay for it. Nothing is free (except air, maybe). Nothing can be free when it requires the labor of someone else, barring slavery.

    Everybody who wants "free" health care wants to make a slave out of someone else to provide that health care for them.

    Using the term "free health care" is the same as using the term "health care provided by slaves".

    I don't see how any rational person could be for it - it's just theft, plain and simple.
     

    navyguy

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    There is no question we have some health care issues in this country, but nationalized health care is one of the worst ideas yet.

    Case after case has shown the Federal Government can not efficiently operate anything. Administration costs will sky rocket, (guess who pays) there will be long waits to see doctors, drug companies will lose their incentive to develop better products, services will be denied to elderly based on a computer driven decision tree punched in by some snotty nosed 20 year old, there will be less incentive for up and coming students to enter med school ... and on and no. We need only look to countries that have such health care.
     

    Starker

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    I just want to point out that this health care is not "free." We'd still have to pay for it. Nothing is free (except air, maybe). Nothing can be free when it requires the labor of someone else, barring slavery.

    Everybody who wants "free" health care wants to make a slave out of someone else to provide that health care for them.

    Using the term "free health care" is the same as using the term "health care provided by slaves".

    I don't see how any rational person could be for it - it's just theft, plain and simple.

    You're exactly right. Even slaves aren't free. (no pun intended) They're cheap, but not free. (again, no pun intended...although, that is a funny line...read it several times...it gets funnier each time)
     
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