CHLs in School for Teachers

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  1. Beaumont

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  3. DoubleActionCHL

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    I've got no problem with teachers carrying in schools. However, unlike my position on personal responsibility, no government restrictions or requirements for training, etc., I firmly believe teachers would require additional and frequent training to keep and carry handguns around our children.

    Weapon retention would be at the top of the list. Scenario-based tactical training would be a must, with annual qualifications. There would also need to be some sort of secrecy and, possibly, rotation policy, because it would be impossible to keep everyone quiet. Eventually the students would know who carries. Some means of rotating the daily carry duty might be useful so students never know exactly which teachers are armed.

    These are just ideas... not necessarily good ones.
     
  4. texas_teacher

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    As a teacher I definitely support over-training teachers who are going to be carrying in schools... I also believe that typical CHL qualifications would not suffise as being "accurate " enough to work in a school... Typically in a school situation where using deadly force would be determined necessary the torso area that is used for CHL's would typically be too large...

    I also agree that weapon retention is a very necessary training if teachers are going to be carrying in schools... It is one thing to have a training of what to do in a deadly force situation, but there have been several situations where students who are frustrated and angry become aggressive... A weapon in the hands of an untrained volatile mind is the exact thing that teacher's carrying would be trying to prevent...
     
  5. Texas42

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    hmmm. . . .

    I know you aren't trying to make this conclusion, but should i need extra requirements because i carry around children all the time. at walmart, the movies, and to resturants.

    i think it is called concealed carry for a reason. if your dumb enough to open your mouth to your kids that you have a gun, the parents will have your head (and rightly so).

    i guess the bottom line is the teachers aren't going to be offensive when it comes to this. they shouldn't be clearing rooms. they are going to be defending themselves and their students.

    that being said, shooting a guy in a room full of students is probably anyone's worst nightmare.
     
  6. TxEMTP69

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    I think this would be a school policy for some sort of "proficiency" as to continued training, would be nice if the schools would foot the bill for some decent scenario based training for those situations. I've seen videos of scenario based training that also involved students in methods to overcome an attacker with whats availabe, saw many outraged parents crying about them teaching students to be violent... I say be violent or die in a violent manner.
    I know of far too many schools that don't have enough school cops or have them to far spread in the school district for them to be truely effective, goes back to "I carry a gun because a cop is to heavy". Police can't be everywhere or be expected to be in the right place at the right time.

    I've dealt with one school shooting and thankfully it did not involve children but employees and ended after a standoff and 2 injured (not the shooter) transported to the hospital. For years I've heard LEO in our community say it couldn't happen here.
     
  7. DoubleActionCHL

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    You're taking this to an extreme in your Wal-Mart example. The armed teachers are taking a custodial role over our children and are expected to protect them, almost to the degree we'd charge law enforcement.

    Placing a gun in the hands of a teacher whose sole training is comprised of a 10 hour CHL class would simply create a dangerous situation. The likelihood of the teacher ever needing the weapon is slim, but likelihood of some thug/student stealing it from her bag or wrestling it from her person is comparatively high.

    If the teacher is charged with the security and safety of our children, I want them to be suitably trained to be safe and competent. Otherwise, why bother?
     
  8. Texas42

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    i know i was taking it out to the extreme.

    i just can can see how your points can be extended to every single CHL holder. in some cases extreme, but not others.

    would you like to see CHL's allowed to go to schools and school activities? i would. I can see where people would want them to have extra training. i really do, but i think it is impractical to two classes of CHL. Maybe it isn't as impractical.

    oh well. I do think that this would be a step forward.
     
  9. DoubleActionCHL

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    Again, you're talking apples and oranges. There's a tremendous difference in a CHL holder near children, and someone who is armed and entrusted with their safety.
     
  10. Libertarian_Longhorn

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    A rotation policy would be great. Teachers are extremely vulnerable to backbiting attacks though. How about the 'special' or alternative schools with the county delinquent children? I say all the more reason for a teacher to have a CHL. Secrecy is key.
     

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