Dallas Cop fired, charged criminally.

[F350-6]

I didn't read all the links, but the story in the Star Telegram said that in the hospital interview with the victim, the victim stated he was suicidal and wanted to get shot. He also screamed it's gonna take more cops than this, or something to that effect when the officers/suspects arrived.

Doesn't justify the shooting at all, but at least it's not as calloused as it appears on the video.

 

[TheDan]

Now they need to fire the other one and charge him with filing a false report.

+1
Lying that the guy lunged at them is worse in my mind than actually shooting him. He did indeed have a knife after all... but the lie about the events shows a disconcerting character flaw. What other things have these two lied about?

 

[winchster]

My point is that its not rare. It's pretty typical.

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Just asking a question but, if it's typical, why didn't it apply to the original guy?

 

[Texan2]

Just asking a question but, if it's typical, why didn't it apply to the original guy?

That is an on site arrest. (While this case is a bit twisted) when an officer observes the offense they will generally arrest on site. A judge will set a bond and the GJ will then hear the case.

If police were not there for the offense and the state can articulate that there is an immediate or imminent threat to the public by leaving the person at large they will typically get a warrant.

In the case of the officer, time has passed, someone appearantly feels he is not a threat to the public at this time, so they will seek an indictment before proceeding. It really shouldn't add but a few days to the process, and I am still curious where the retired judge that thinks this is so unusual worked out of, that he would find this so out of place.

 

[London]

Anyone else consider that if they didn't lie about the lunging this probably wouldn't be a big issue? Tell crazy guy to put knife down. He refuses; gets shot.

Not many people are going to back up the crazy guy on that one.

 

[just jk]

Anyone else consider that if they didn't lie about the lunging this probably wouldn't be a big issue? Tell crazy guy to put knife down. He refuses; gets shot.

Not many people are going to back up the crazy guy on that one.

i dont think its quite that simple.....deadly force should be a last resort/option......who is he threatening if he's standing there with a knife and not lunging?

 

[London]

i dont think its quite that simple.....deadly force should be a last resort/option......who is he threatening if he's standing there with a knife and not lunging?

As had been mentioned- at that distance it takes very little time to close the gap and put a blade to deadly use. Cops give the guy one chance to put the knife down and save his own ass. If he refuses and they shoot I personally don't care. The fact he didn't put the knife down would show enough potential "Intent" for me if I were a juror.

One chance is all you need or get IMO.

 

[just jk]

ok - you personally dont care- i get that and understand the sentiment

however i'm rather positive that is not normal protocol

maybe one of our resident uniformed LEO's can weigh in

 

[hellishhorses]

As had been mentioned- at that distance it takes very little time to close the gap and put a blade to deadly use. Cops give the guy one chance to put the knife down and save his own ass. If he refuses and they shoot I personally don't care. The fact he didn't put the knife down would show enough potential "Intent" for me if I were a juror.

One chance is all you need or get IMO.

 

[London]

The video doesn't lie. What's worse is that even if those cops were told exactly what to expect they probably wouldn't have fared much better; and that's NOT just because Dan Inosanto is a old-school weapons badass.

Too many Americans disregard the simple side-step as a legitimate self-defense technique. I'm not saying it would have helped in every situation but it would have probably stopped the 15" cop from getting needlessly stabbed. Putting an obstacle like a vehicle between the officers and attacker would have helped greatly.

Inosanto should have put some red lipstick on those dummy knives to drive the point home. The results would have been shocking.

 

[TxBigfoot]

That video is nowhere close to the scenario as the officer who got fired. Those cops had weapons ready, the 1970's porno production video above shows a knife attack against a cop who didn't know the perp had a knife. The Dallas police chief (who is former swat) was interviewed last night on Fox 4 in Dallas. He broke down the surveillance video and pointed out the numerous mistakes those 2 cops made from the very beginning.

 

[London]

Their guns were drawn. So what? There was still a reasonable deadly threat present. How much should they risk their lives before it is okay to shoot a knife-wielding schizophrenic who is off his meds?

If they hadn't lied about what happened they might get in some hot water with people who don't understand the situation but nothing this serious. All they had to do was tell the truth but now they just opened up a huge can of worms for themselves.

 

[just jk]

so do you believe that the termination was wrongful?

 

[London]

No. They lied and will pay for it dearly.

If they told the truth they'd end up OK.

 

[hellishhorses]

That video is nowhere close to the scenario as the officer who got fired. Those cops had weapons ready, the 1970's porno production video above shows a knife attack against a cop who didn't know the perp had a knife. The Dallas police chief (who is former swat) was interviewed last night on Fox 4 in Dallas. He broke down the surveillance video and pointed out the numerous mistakes those 2 cops made from the very beginning.

Nope. Not the same scenario at all. Just pointing out that a man with a knife from that distance did, in fact, pose a threat. Were they justified in shooting him? Not my decision to make. Did they lie about the incident? Looks like it. Should they be punished for their unethical behavior? Yes.

 

[winchster]

Guns drawn and at ready, unless the guy is within arms length, gun beats knife.
This officer shot a guy for no reason. The totality of the circumstances means little, words are not dangerous, and the victim in this case was doing as instructed and not moving when shot. Shooting him for ignoring orders is a bit excessive if he isn't being a threat.

 

[just jk]

No. They lied and will pay for it dearly.

If they told the truth they'd end up OK.

i wonder what the motivation was for lying about it.....

 

[London]

Guns drawn and at ready, unless the guy is within arms length, gun beats knife.

That conclusion relies on two assumptions:

1.) The officers do not miss.
2.) Their shots effectively disable a person with a warped sense of reality.

 

[London]

i wonder what the motivation was for lying about it.....

I can only guess but I'd imagine they thought it would make their case for shooting him sound more solid to a jury. Whoops.

 

[TxBigfoot]

Their guns were drawn. So what? There was still a reasonable deadly threat present. How much should they risk their lives before it is okay to shoot a knife-wielding schizophrenic who is off his meds?

Apparently the Dallas police chief sees things differently.