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  • hutchmx92

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    Hello everyone! I am mew to the forum and a recent denial brought me here. I was answering the questions at academy sports for a firearm purchase. Question specifically about depression I answered yes. I am 29 years old and 12 years ago I joined the navy at 17 years old with parent signature and had a entry level discharge that involved depression. I am now grown with kids and a wife of 6 years and a career and college degree. Did I answer incorrectly and misinterpret it or did i answer it accurately? i have no psychiatric issues for depression or anything since that incident 12 years ago and I did not have a bad conduct discharge if any sort. I filed tonight to challenge and submitted a VAF and will go in the coming week to so my finger prints. I find it hard to believe that I am not eligible to purchase from a vendor. The specific legal clauses state from my understanding involuntarily submitted and seem to be of recent? Guidance would be appreciated, I am no hun but by any means but I did grow up in a rural area where we had shotguns and rifles with us usually all the time, i only want to purchase as j have new born twin daughters and feel it's something that could prevent something from happening to them.
     

    Axxe55

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    Second part: Somewhat of an answer to your question of being denied.



    On Form 4473. Questions 21b through 21k, answering yes to any of these questions means an automatic denial by the FFL and they never even proceed to doing the background check through the NICS.

    Did you answer "yes" to question 21f?
     

    hutchmx92

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    Second part: Somewhat of an answer to your question of being denied.



    On Form 4473. Questions 21b through 21k, answering yes to any of these questions means an automatic denial by the FFL and they never even proceed to doing the background check through the NICS.

    Did you answer "yes" to question 21f?
    That is correct I did answer yes to F, so when I was going through the issues I spent the night at the hospital as a precaution but was allowed to leave the next day, so I was not sure if that counted as being admitted? I wasn't forced to do so it was a voluntary thing, I feel like there is a bit of a gray area but did not want to answer incorrectly and then get in legal trouble on the back end. I almost feel like I answered incorrectly and my scenario does not actually fall into those specifics. Should I continue with the VAF that I submitted or redo the questions and answer no? I am all for following the law but just confused at this point.
     

    Axxe55

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    That is correct I did answer yes to F, so when I was going through the issues I spent the night at the hospital as a precaution but was allowed to leave the next day, so I was not sure if that counted as being admitted? I wasn't forced to do so it was a voluntary thing, I feel like there is a bit of a gray area but did not want to answer incorrectly and then get in legal trouble on the back end. I almost feel like I answered incorrectly and my scenario does not actually fall into those specifics. Should I continue with the VAF that I submitted or redo the questions and answer no? I am all for following the law but just confused at this point.

    In layman's terms, trying to keep this as simple as possible.

    That sounds like a self-committal, and not court ordered committal. A self-committal would be no different than admitting yourself into the hospital for a surgery, an illness or an injury. Those records are private and are not subject to scrutiny by anyone other than your healthcare professionals.

    The only records that would show up on the NICS background check would be if the admission to a mental facility or hospital was court ordered by a judge during a legal proceeding to determine that you were mentally unfit.

    IOW's you should have answered "no" to question 21f.
     

    Axxe55

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    On the second part, that I am unsure of. How to rectify that, or correct it, I have no idea. Hopefully someone here with an FFL can shed some light on that obstacle, and point you in the direction to correct the issue.
     

    hutchmx92

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    In layman's terms, trying to keep this as simple as possible.

    That sounds like a self-committal, and not court ordered committal. A self-committal would be no different than admitting yourself into the hospital for a surgery, an illness or an injury. Those records are private and are not subject to scrutiny by anyone other than your healthcare professionals.

    The only records that would show up on the NICS background check would be if the admission to a mental facility or hospital was court ordered by a judge during a legal proceeding to determine that you were mentally unfit.

    IOW's you should have answered "no" to question 21f.
    Thank you for the reply! Look forward to trying again and updating. I believe you are correct in your opinion as well.
     

    jrbfishn

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    Axxe55 is pretty much correct. The question is for involuntary commitment. Seeking voluntary help does not count. How the military handles it, if you were still active duty at the time I have no idea. If you answered yes to any of the wrong questions, the back ground check should not have been done. NICS gets very pissed if they do. If you inadvertently answered a question in the wrong and were denied, go somewhere else and try again. The original place probably won't even talk to you about it.
    I will add this. If at any time you are not sure how to answer a question on the 4473, STOP! Simply stop and walk away and do your homework on what it is asking. If nothing else, take a blank 4473, you can print a blank off of the web, to an attorney familiar with firearm laws and ask them.

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