I've picked up, over the past several months, 7 different HP's for my pistols. hornady critical defense hornady XTP'S federal hydra-shoks federal HST winchester white box HP'S Winchester PDX1 gold dots i had a picture of them, but i can't seem to upload it. i think it is too big of a file. i think i'm set on the HST's as defense ammo. I can get it in LEO boxes. my next favorite, probably is the PDX1, but they are expensive and i only have one magazine left.