Do U.S. Troops Understand Their Oath?

[benenglish]

I found this pretty shocking.

If it's been posted elsewhere, someone let me know so I can kill off this thread.

If anyone has any more context for this video, I'd love to see it. Clearly, there's been some editing so I have to think there's more to the story.

 

[kyletxria1911a1]

That bitch would be assaulted immediately.
And no she doesn't understand the oath. Plus she doesn't have a clue what she is talking about
She needs to be done in the service

 

[billtool]

I guess I’d see how well she performed under fire. I would hope the members of her squad would help send her to hell.

 

[plinkr]

Okay, somebody please help me understand this. Under martial law the armed forces are ordered take control of the civilian population. Obviously they do that at the point of a gun. If that's true, what was it she said that is not correct?

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[kyletxria1911a1]

For sta

Okay, somebody please help me understand this. Under martial law the armed forces are ordered take control of the civilian population. Obviously they do that at the point of a gun. If that's true, what was it she said that is not correct?

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For starters the US military is not allowed to operate on us soil

 

[plinkr]

For sta

For starters the US military is not allowed to operate on us soil

Yes, I know. But once we are into a martial law scenario, I suspect that those legal issues take a back seat. Troops are trained to follow orders. I'm remembering Katrina. So everyone is piling on to this woman, but as far as I can tell what she said in the clip is accurate. I'd be happy to be corrected.

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[gll]

John Doyle has a lot to say...

 

[kyletxria1911a1]

Second it's a unlawful order period
And part of our oath is not to follow unlawful orders

 

[plinkr]

Second it's a unlawful order period
And part of our oath is not to follow unlawful orders

Fair comment. What percentage of service members do you think would refuse?

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[gll]

I found this pretty shocking.

If it's been posted elsewhere, someone let me know so I can kill off this thread.

If anyone has any more context for this video, I'd love to see it. Clearly, there's been some editing so I have to think there's more to the story.

There is another thread, but I was looking for it just before I found yours, and I don't know where it's hiding...

 

[kyletxria1911a1]

Fair comment. What percentage of service members do you think would refuse?

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Don't know but be sure I ain't giving up shit..
Plus if they are pointing guns at me somewhere someone is pointing guns at thier family also.... things that make you go hmmmmmmm.

 

[rotor]

Did Capitol Police understand their oath? Could you or I be allowed to kill a trespasser? I don't think the military members would defy an order if push came to shove. And I served for 8 years.

 

[robertc1024]

Second it's a unlawful order period
And part of our oath is not to follow unlawful orders

But it happens.

 

[kyletxria1911a1]

That katrina shit was unlawful and unconstitutional period.

But people didn't understand the law and bowed down

 

[kyletxria1911a1]

Did Capitol Police understand their oath? Could you or I be allowed to kill a trespasser? I don't think the military members would defy an order if push came to shove. And I served for 8 years.

And you would obey the order?

 

[robertc1024]

That katrina shit was unlawful and unconstitutional period.

But people didn't understand the law and bowed down

True, but if you're outnumbered and out gunned . . .

 

[kyletxria1911a1]

True, but if you're outnumbered and out gunned . . .

Yep but still unlawful

 

[gll]

For starters the US military is not allowed to operate on us soil

"The Insurrection Act and Use of the US Military on US Soil" https://lawshelf.com/blogentryview/the-insurrection-act-and-use-of-the-us-military-on-us-soil/

 

[rotor]

And you would obey the order?

No I wouldn’t but that was the military 40+ years ago. We saluted the flag every day. Athletes didn’t give the knee.

 

[Tex929rr]

I posted this on another forum (Ricochet) a while back: I periodically get emails from “Rally Point Briefing”. It’s sort of a social media site for active duty military and vets. I probably read every other one or so; threads cover everything from education and career advice to how to deal with various situations. Yesterday, a thread popped up titled: “What is the appropriate response for Ashli Babbit?”
The specific question was what did uniformed military members think and did she deserve military funeral honors.

The responses were frankly shocking in their almost universal condemnation and apparent hatred. What strikes me is that we often wonder whether the uniformed military would obey unconstitutional edicts to subdue the civilian populace. I’ve believed, as have many others, that the innate integrity of the common soldier/sailor/marine/airman would prevent them from following illegal orders.

I don’t believe it any more.

Maybe I’m wrong. I seem to recall having to somehow validate my military credentials to become a member of the site. Maybe the people who hate Babbitt responded in numbers that aren’t representative of their cohort size. But reading those comments makes me believe we are screwed. Here we are worried about the armed forces and CRT, and the perfumed princes have already taught the troops to hate civilians and freedom.

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