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CyberWolf

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....The social agreement most of us live under - that being that we will adhere to he laws passed by those elected to represent the people...
Excellent post...I've quoted the bit above because that part seems to be what many have forgotten.

IMHO, mistaking "Agreement" for "Acquiescence" is one helluva dangerous misunderstanding...
 

Axxe55

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Excellent post...I've quoted the bit above because that part seems to be what many have forgotten.

IMHO, mistaking "Agreement" for "Acquiescence" is one helluva dangerous misunderstanding...
Exactly. All laws are not bad, and serve a greater good for the community and society. We can all agree that murder, robbery, theft, rape and such are bad acts that should be punished.

But passing laws that restrict, ban or regulate firearms, serves no goal in the greater good of the community or society, regardless of what the legislators passing them try to make us believe when they do make such laws.

At what point have criminals abided by such laws in the first place? Such laws only do one of two things. They either make law breakers out of normal law-abiding citizens, or further handicap them with needless restrictions or bans on firearms they could use to defend themselves from criminals.
 

cycleguy2300

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Exactly. All laws are not bad, and serve a greater good for the community and society. We can all agree that murder, robbery, theft, rape and such are bad acts that should be punished.

But passing laws that restrict, ban or regulate firearms, serves no goal in the greater good of the community or society, regardless of what the legislators passing them try to make us believe when they do make such laws.

At what point have criminals abided by such laws in the first place? Such laws only do one of two things. They either make law breakers out of normal law-abiding citizens, or further handicap them with needless restrictions or bans on firearms they could use to defend themselves from criminals.
Good laws generally focus on a person's interference with the rights of another.

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"Shall not be infringed" was pretty clear language that addresses limitations, but politicians and judges seem to be blind to those four words.
not that I am agreeing with them (politicians and judges) but they rely on other parts of the constitution to allow the limitations that have allowed. What portions who he he’ll knows... but it is nice to know that the SCOTUS has used the 14th amendment to mean that the 2nd applies to states as well.
 
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Here’s the thing to point out... when it comes to any possible gun control coming out of any any Democrat Controlled federal government.

The politicians have to instigate the passing of new laws rules and regulations. Whatever they maybe we as citizens have only 4 options once they do this.

Option 1: Obey, accept and goon with our lives. Maybe we protest, maybe write our politicians. But Still obey and accept.

Option 2: Obey, or Disobey, possibly get arrested. File lawsuits and wait for our legal system to hopefully overrule the laws, rules regulations as unconstitutional, or unlawful.

Option 3: Start a civil war/revolution.

Which option we pick as a gun owning society will do will be very dependent on what anti-gun laws are passed, and enforced.

If all they do are minor things. We probably won’t do much. If they pass more stringent laws, many will file various legal lawsuits. Many current lawsuits currently pending may possibly stop some of these laws from passing on a federal level, or maybe even overturn the federal ones. At least there’s a level of potential.

The vast majority of us won’t go as far as starting Civil war, or revolution until they start taking ultra drastic actions.

I do see if they start going door to door for gun confiscation and arrest that many instances of “Waco”, “”Ruby Ridge” and others will start happening on a highly frequent basis. These incidents will eventually lead to a civil war or revolution if they don’t stop. Study history of revolutions and civil wars, and you will see, the fighting doesn’t start until one side or the other makes one move to many.

The question each of you should ask yourself and decide for yourself and your family, is at what point will YOU say enough is enough and put your life on the line to stop tyranny.

what is the line in the sand for you?

for me..... it’s when they come knocking on my door.
 

General Zod

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But we are living today and so apply reasoning that is relevant today.
The law should be applied as written, not as re-interpreted by those who want to circumvent it. Consider this, Jar-Jar. Why in the WORLD would the founders have written a bill of rights that restricts the government from infringing on nine basic rights, but puts one right under government control? These men had just finished overthrowing their government for infringing on their rights. There is no logic to your position. The phrase was written "a well-regulated militia", not "a government-controlled and approved militia". Well regulated. Even if you take your farcical (liberal) interpretation, it still does not say who is supposed to do the regulating. Militias, by definition, are not government controlled or government organized. So even your modern interpretation of what was (and is, if you engage even the slimmest amount of critical thinking) a very plainly stated concept falls flat on its face.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State (oh, look, that's the part you guys like to point to as justifying infringement. But no, it is VERY OBVIOUSLY just a statement of why this right is important - so we can form a militia if we feel it necessary to keep our country free and secure.), the right of the people to keep and bear Arms (Nothing at all here about those arms being approved by the government, or that they not be scary-looking, or the amount of ammunition one might be "allowed" for them, or any restrictions - hell, it doesn't even specify firearms, because the men who wrote this document were smarter than that. And it is a right of the PEOPLE, not of the government.), shall not be infringed. (The part we like to point at, because government regulation or restriction is an infringement that violates both the spirit and the letter of the law.)"

Here's the thing, pal. The Constitution and the bill of rights (and this may blow your mind) do not confer, create, or grant anyone any rights. Our rights are not given to us by a benevolent government. They are pre-existing, by dint of us being human beings. Those of us who are of a religious nature would say they're God-given. Those who aren't can probaby wrap their heads around the idea of natural human rights that nobody can give or rescind. The Constitution was written to place restrictions on the government, not to restrict the people. NOWHERE in the Constituion does the phrase "the People shall be granted the right" appear. Read it. The whole thing. When our rights are mentioned, the amendments are phrased to address them as pre-existing rights. "The right of the people". When amendments are passed to address past wrongs, it does not say "Group A shall now have the right to X..." it says "The right of the people to X shall not be denied or abridged by the United States..." Again, that right is not granted, it is recognized as having been violated and the violation is banned. If the government does not create our rights, then it has no authority to restrict them. It has no right to tell me how many rounds I can have in a magazine or how fast I can fire them. It has no right to tell me what I can and can't say about the idiots in Washington DC or how vehemently I disagree with them. It has no right to come between me and how I choose to worship or not to.

And yes, our rights that the Constitution is intended to protect are, in fact, absolute. That you believe otherwise is sad, and you have my pity, because you choose to live as a subject rather than a citizen. We are not beholden to the government. They are supposed to be beholden to us. They are not our rulers, they are our employees.

If you think a Biden/Harris administration will involve sanity or evidence based decision making, then you're not paying attention. You have a figurehead with worsening dementia and a woman who, as Attorney General of California, withheld evidence that would've seen multiple wrongly convicted prisoners (mostly African-American males) set free. I suppose that's evidence-based decision making there - she decided not to provide the evidence.
 

ZX9RCAM

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Here’s the thing to point out... when it comes to any possible gun control coming out of any any Democrat Controlled federal government.

The politicians have to instigate the passing of new laws rules and regulations. Whatever they maybe we as citizens have only 4 options once they do this.

Option 1: Obey, accept and goon with our lives. Maybe we protest, maybe write our politicians. But Still obey and accept.

Option 2: Obey, or Disobey, possibly get arrested. File lawsuits and wait for our legal system to hopefully overrule the laws, rules regulations as unconstitutional, or unlawful.

Option 3: Start a civil war/revolution.

Which option we pick as a gun owning society will do will be very dependent on what anti-gun laws are passed, and enforced.

If all they do are minor things. We probably won’t do much. If they pass more stringent laws, many will file various legal lawsuits. Many current lawsuits currently pending may possibly stop some of these laws from passing on a federal level, or maybe even overturn the federal ones. At least there’s a level of potential.

The vast majority of us won’t go as far as starting Civil war, or revolution until they start taking ultra drastic actions.

I do see if they start going door to door for gun confiscation and arrest that many instances of “Waco”, “”Ruby Ridge” and others will start happening on a highly frequent basis. These incidents will eventually lead to a civil war or revolution if they don’t stop. Study history of revolutions and civil wars, and you will see, the fighting doesn’t start until one side or the other makes one move to many.

The question each of you should ask yourself and decide for yourself and your family, is at what point will YOU say enough is enough and put your life on the line to stop tyranny.

what is the line in the sand for you?

for me..... it’s when they come knocking on my door.
What's the 4th option?
 

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