don't vaccines work?

oldag

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No, I just make up stuff like you do.
Seriously though, lost a friend on a Harley a couple of months ago and quit riding myself in 1970. My friend on the Harley was riding with his son, both on Harley's, looked back and dad's bike was off the road. He was dead. I quit when within 1/2 mile 2 separate cars almost ran me down. Tiny fender benders in a car are lethal in a bike, no matter how good you are. Laws of physics still work. Laws of medicine are still up for question. I made a choice, never to ride on the streets again. You know the risks too, so you make your own choice.
My risk of dying in a traffic accident are a lot higher than dying from covid. But I don't quit driving.
 

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What's few? Ten times the adversities than any other vaccine that was pulled? Twenty times? Since they are claiming those that die within two weeks of getting the vaccine as unvaccinated COVID deaths, how do we know how many adverse effects (side effects) there really are?
"Ten times the adversities than any other vaccine that was pulled"

That is simply not true. the numbers seem so large ONLY b/c the population being studied is the largest ever, by far.

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With or without Covid or the vaccine, age and obesity related illnesses play a larger part in who lives or dies than Covid alone.
The same factors that drove the largest contributors to death before Covid.
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Pharmacist here. I work in a hospital.

Pretty consistently if there are fifteen patients in our icu, one may be vaxxed. And those usually have a history of compromised immune system.

Similar in our non icu floors. 15 covid patients, one to two vaxxed.

I have yet to see a patient history that read “got vaccine recently and now having a complication”.

I have heard similar rations with other hospital pharmacists I talk with at other hospitals.

Do people get covid and have mild symptoms. Yep.
Do people get covid and have severe symptoms. Yep.
Do people get the vaccine and still get covid. Yep.
But the odds favor the vaccinated.

This vaccine is the counter a different virus than some other viruses you all have mentioned. This virus is a fast replicator and it changes. The vaccine works to prime the immune system. The vaccine does not make you immune. The immune system can go from idle to ready to fight quicker.

Covid can overrun a body very quickly. Delta variant more so than earlier versions. Without the primer, the odds of ending up hospitalized or dead are greater (not 100% but greater than 0%). The time to recovery is longer.

That is what I have witnessed.
 

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I don’t get the animosity between those who do and don’t want it.

I have nothing against either side and no insults for anyone’s choice. Won’t even try to convince anyone to think what I think. I won’t support a mandate of any kind, but that’s about as far as I go.

Hell, I would even go so far as to say I’m glad the vaccine exists as I’m sure for certain age groups the risk is definitely higher with covid. But it’s damn sad that an actual discussion can’t be had without people being angry or insulting towards someone who feels differently about a decision that only effects them.


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