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Electric Vehicles here to stay, for good or bad?

Discussion in 'Rants and Raves' started by HKShooter65, Jul 12, 2019.

  1. kbaxter60

    kbaxter60 Active Member

    Jan 23, 2019
    Pipe Creek
    Sigh. You are probably right. It's too bad. For a limited mission, it made decent sense. Like I said earlier, it's mostly personal needs that define what is "best". We had a sailboat at a marina across the state border from us. We went a lot and the gas adds up. If the Elio mileage numbers held up, we could have gone round trip for about a gallon. It was over two gallons, even in my pretty-economical Ford Focus...

    I would sure hate to work in their marketing group. And keep on churning out repeat emails ("what colors do you want to see?").

  2. HKShooter65

    HKShooter65 Well-Known

    That is freaking awsome
  3. benenglish

    benenglish Lifetime Supporter Staff Member Lifetime Member Admin

    Nov 22, 2011
    Yes, she is.
  4. popper

    popper Active Member

    Apr 23, 2013
    Just politically driven by the epa and greenies! Wind elec. the same, Pickens got out of them but tried to take over distribution where the real money is.
  5. oldag

    oldag TGT Addict

    Feb 19, 2015
    Had you ever worked in the DOD industry, you would know that the technology in armed forces equipment lags the rest of industry more often than not.
  6. txinvestigator

    txinvestigator TGT Addict

    May 28, 2008
    Ft Worth, TX
    Well, I'm just going to disagree. I am a contractor for DoD contractor. The taxpayers pay the bills. Lockheed Martin developed the F117 on Taxpayer money. Same with the F22, and now the 35. Leading edge technology. DoD contractors developed the Patriot missile system. GPS? Thank you DoD contractors
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  7. Kar98

    Kar98 TGT Addict

    Aug 8, 2016
  8. Pops1955

    Pops1955 Active Member

    Mar 10, 2015
    Well the market should. Just so happens that the demand for NASA was declared one of national security due to the soviet entry ahead of the US.

    Military is about national defense. A very important expenditure of tax dollars.

    Even back to the days of rail the tech was developed. National distribution was considered essential so it was heavily incentivized.

    Alternative energy programs were designed to wean us gas guzzlers off the carbon teat. We were running out of fossil fuels, or so they told us. BUT has the earth just stopped making fossil fuels? If so how have we found more. Enough to become energy self sufficient and are now exporting again. Ever wonder why we were running out and now we are not. Lots of possible answers and all are probably partially correct.

    Ever watched a wind mill field closely? Many not running. Why? Lots are broke. Does not pay to fix 'em. That part is not subsidized. Wonder who built all those new transmission lines? Your tax $ from Obamas infrastructure projects.

    All I am saying is that the day will come. I just do not want my country to go broke making it happen sooner than later.

    Was the great tech from the space race worth it. You bet. Is the great tech from and for our national defense worth it. Absolutely.

    Achieving the stars with side benefits. YUP. I am in. Dominating our enemies with superior fire power and capabilities . I am all in. Where is the benefit of going broke to achieve perceived benefit of solar, wind and EVs? I like driving them as much as the next guy. But for the real costs we have all paid I would rather have my old GTO back.
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  9. HKShooter65

    HKShooter65 Well-Known

    1. Maybe I'm getting senile and my memory is failing me.
    2. Maybe the Tesla Model 3s price fell $5,000 since yesterday.
    3. Maybe both.

    I've been lusting for one.
    That 0-60 MPH in about 3 seconds is just unearthly.
    We've all experienced the rush of SW Airlines' 737 exhilarating takeoff from Love field's short runways, right???
    It's the same except that I'm in full control and can do it repetitively all day long.

    I swear the price was 60k yesterday.
    Today it's $54,990
    Last edited: Jul 15, 2019
  10. benenglish

    benenglish Lifetime Supporter Staff Member Lifetime Member Admin

    Nov 22, 2011
    I think the same folks (Munro & Associates) have done some complete disassembly videos that are pretty shocking. Tesla has some great tech for using electricity to make things move. However, it seems they have very little institutional knowledge about how to actually design and build fully functional cars. They don't understand all the edge cases and how things should be designed to handle abnormal situations. They don't know how to manufacture efficiently. That's knowledge that takes decades of experience to accrue and infuse into the culture of a company. Being really, really smart helps but isn't a guaranteed fast track to doing it right. They do a lot of stuff flat wrong in ways that would make any experienced automotive engineer cringe.

    The video at that link is a good introduction. Here some videos after more disassembly. This is real "The Emperor has no clothes" stuff.

    Here's a short one.

    And here's a long discussion, if you really want to get way into the weeds.


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