Electric Vehicles here to stay, for good or bad?

[Tnhawk]

Not to mention the funds to add all those chargers at each distribution center. Plus possibly adding additional transformers for all that extra power.
Charging let's say 100 trucks all charging at 30 amps is a shit-ton of power.

How many of these distribution centers can our power grid handle?

 

[TNHoosier]

Any updates on how the EVs are doing in the heat? I'd expect a significant drop in range as the temperatures climb.

Ran across this article today. Just FYI, it is on the innerwebs so read at your own risk.

It's Too Hot For EVs To Work Right

We already knew electric vehicles don’t do so well when it gets really cold outside. Well, apparently they don’t really like extreme heat either. According to Automotive News, the recent heat wave across much of the Southern and Western U.S. has brought their range issue to the forefront.

news.yahoo.com

 

[Pistol Pete]

They are here to stay unfortunately. Big problems, charging is only a minor problem with an electric car. Dealers can't repair a regular car, wait til the electric car has problems. Just wait. At 78 years of age, I won't ever own one but my kids and grand kids are probably screwed.

 

[Tarosean]

They should have never stopped putting these windows in cars. I never had a car with AC until I moved to Houston in 78, never had one without it since.

While I moved here in the early 90's . After a bout a week commuting I had to go buy a car with AC.

 

[benenglish]

While I moved here in the early 90's . After a bout a week commuting I had to go buy a car with AC.

~1985 I was driving an old Pontiac with no AC. I liked the 400-inch small block. I didn't like the heat.

On at least one occasion, the people I met as a part of my job took one look at that car and told me that my employer should pay me more.

I appreciated their pity, I guess, but I was sweating too much to think on it at the time.

 

[TheDan]

 

[TNHoosier]

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Young people think EVs are "new".

 

[TheDan]

 

[TNHoosier]

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That looks really good for the environment.

 

[Ozzman]

Unfortunately, EVs and alternative fuel vehicles are not merely passing trends; they are here to stay. Like many of you, I am a diesel guy myself, but the writing is "on-the-wall" IMO. As a Transportation Engineer licensed in Texas, I can tell you that our industry is trying to catch up with "other" states that are a "few miles ahead" of us. We need to be ready because the transition will be fast, and to ensure future prosperity for Texas and avoid transportation issues over the next decade, we must adapt and evolve alongside this modern transportation era.

Hate it all you want, but look at history; when the "automobile" emerged as a revolutionary invention, requiring the development of roads and fueling stations, etc., similar to the railroads, there were advocates and opponents (like today) of this new mode of transportation. The towns that embraced automobiles thrived, while those solely reliant on railroads and horseback faced decline and became ghost towns.

Today, we find ourselves on the heels of another transportation revolution with the rise of electric and alternative fuel vehicles (EVs, ROVs, etc.). As in the past, there are both supporters and opponents just like we see in our posts. Texas is at a critical crossroads - we must decide whether to embrace progress by investing in charging stations, newer technology, improving our roads, and adapting to these changing times, or risk becoming obsolete and facing the same fate as those forgotten ghost towns.

Maybe I have been indoctrinated at work over the past year but to me the choice is clear - either WE embrace the inevitable future or have our children face the unfortunate consequences of decline long after WE are gone.

 

[pronstar]

Boat load of cars.
EV catches fire.
3000 cars at risk.
Not the first time this has happened…

EV Suspected In Fire Of Massive Cargo Ship Carrying 3,000 Cars | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Holy crap!

 

[no2gates]

Unfortunately, EVs and alternative fuel vehicles are not merely passing trends; they are here to stay. Like many of you, I am a diesel guy myself, but the writing is "on-the-wall" IMO. As a Transportation Engineer licensed in Texas, I can tell you that our industry is trying to catch up with "other" states that are a "few miles ahead" of us. We need to be ready because the transition will be fast, and to ensure future prosperity for Texas and avoid transportation issues over the next decade, we must adapt and evolve alongside this modern transportation era.

Hate it all you want, but look at history; when the "automobile" emerged as a revolutionary invention, requiring the development of roads and fueling stations, etc., similar to the railroads, there were advocates and opponents (like today) of this new mode of transportation. The towns that embraced automobiles thrived, while those solely reliant on railroads and horseback faced decline and became ghost towns.

Today, we find ourselves on the heels of another transportation revolution with the rise of electric and alternative fuel vehicles (EVs, ROVs, etc.). As in the past, there are both supporters and opponents just like we see in our posts. Texas is at a critical crossroads - we must decide whether to embrace progress by investing in charging stations, newer technology, improving our roads, and adapting to these changing times, or risk becoming obsolete and facing the same fate as those forgotten ghost towns.

Maybe I have been indoctrinated at work over the past year but to me the choice is clear - either WE embrace the inevitable future or have our children face the unfortunate consequences of decline long after WE are gone.

I agree that EV's are the future. Problem is, we're a long way from the future. Until they figure out a better way to store electrons (current battery technology is laughable) it's just a pipe dream.
And what about the grid that can't handle 5% of the cars being EV?

 

[OutlawStar]

I agree that EV's are the future. Problem is, we're a long way from the future. Until they figure out a better way to store electrons (current battery technology is laughable) it's just a pipe dream.
And what about the grid that can't handle 5% of the cars being EV?

Didn't you hear? We have recovered alien UFOs. New batteries are coming as soon as we figure out how they work.

 

[Tnhawk]

Didn't you hear? We have recovered alien UFOs. New batteries are coming as soon as we figure out how they work.

If not from china then biden will not allow them.

 

[striker55]

But that averages to just 250 miles/day which is clearly within the range of many EV’s

I heard yesterday on Fox, EV companies were not honest with the mileage by 26%.

 

[Grumps21]

What nobody talks about is the usable range. Full cycle charging actually degrades the battery life of the costly battery, and fast charging is discouraged unless traveling. To preserve the battery, it is recommended to not let the battery get below 20% and to charge to no more than 80%. So, 60% of a 300 mile rating is effectively only 180 usable miles. The guys who perrot that they plug in at night and awake to a “full tank” are cutting into the longevity of the battery.

I agree that its not a good argument to say that ICE cars effective range is tank size full to empty, but it is a reasonable argument to say an ICE range is 100% full to 10% or whatever the point the fuel light comes on. I don’t know too many people who take the time to fill up their ICE tank at a little less than 1/4 tank but stop at 3/4 tank.

Electric car battery life: how to preserve your battery | DrivingElectric

Here's how to preserve your electric car’s battery life and how much a replacement will cost if you need one

www.drivingelectric.com

 

[TNHoosier]

What nobody talks about is the usable range. Full cycle charging actually degrades the battery life of the costly battery, and fast charging is discouraged unless traveling. To preserve the battery, it is recommended to not let the battery get below 20% and to charge to no more than 80%. So, 60% of a 300 mile rating is effectively only 180 usable miles. The guys who perrot that they plug in at night and awake to a “full tank” are cutting into the longevity of the battery.

I agree that its not a good argument to say that ICE cars effective range is tank size full to empty, but it is a reasonable argument to say an ICE range is 100% full to 10% or whatever the point the fuel light comes on. I don’t know too many people who take the time to fill up their ICE tank at a little less than 1/4 tank but stop at 3/4 tank.

Electric car battery life: how to preserve your battery | DrivingElectric

Here's how to preserve your electric car’s battery life and how much a replacement will cost if you need one

www.drivingelectric.com

Correct. Now from that 60% of stated range deduct for ambient temperature extremes (hot or cold), use of climate control, wind, and elevation changes. A 320 mile trip for me to visit my daughter would require me to recharge 4 times in a Tesla 3 when taking into account all of those factors.

They cracked down on stated mpg and hp of ICE engines because automakers gaming the system. They have yet to do anything with EVs because it does not fit the narrative to get everyone to embrace EVs.

When to talk grid capacity to EV fanboys, all they think is just generate more power withwind or solar. They don't think about distribution which is another shortfall.

 

[black_ice]

Correct. Now from that 60% of stated range deduct for ambient temperature extremes (hot or cold), use of climate control, wind, and elevation changes. A 320 mile trip for me to visit my daughter would require me to recharge 4 times in a Tesla 3 when taking into account all of those factors.

They cracked down on stated mpg and hp of ICE engines because automakers gaming the system. They have yet to do anything with EVs because it does not fit the nrrative to get everyone to embrace EVs.

When to talk grid capacity to EV fanboys, all they think is just generate more power withwind or solar. They don't think about distribution which is another shortfall.

No it won’t.


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[striker55]

As Ford loses billions on EVs, the company embraces hybrids

Ford's hybrid hype runs counter to recent messaging from the Detroit automakers, which have touted the performance and popularity of all-electric favorites.

www.cnbc.com