Electric Vehicles here to stay, for good or bad?

[pronstar]

As Ford loses billions on EVs, the company embraces hybrids

Ford's hybrid hype runs counter to recent messaging from the Detroit automakers, which have touted the performance and popularity of all-electric favorites.

www.cnbc.com

Tesla is the only automaker making EV’s at a profit. And it took a looong time for them to turn a profit, mostly by reinventing the production process.

Every other carmaker loses cubic dollars selling them…to the tune of tens of thousands per vehicle.

 

[TNHoosier]

Tesla is the only automaker making EV’s at a profit. And it took a looong time for them to turn a profit, mostly by reinventing the production process.

Every other carmaker loses cubic dollars selling them…to the tune of tens of thousands per vehicle.

How much are the car makers getting from the government in subsidies? When I was working on the battery and inverter systems 10 years ago, they were getting millions from the government in grants and subsidies.

Anyone remember CODA? We supplied their first 400 power inverters and didn't get paid until we sued because they took their handout from the government and gave their execs huge bonuses.

 

[pronstar]

How much are the car makers getting from the government in subsidies? When I was working on the battery and inverter systems 10 years ago, they were getting millions from the government in grants and subsidies.

Anyone remember CODA? We supplied their first 400 power inverters and didn't get paid until we sued because they took their handout from the government and gave their execs huge bonuses.

I dunno for sure, but i think the only subsidy carmakers get is related to batteries. But there’s probably more that i’m not aware of.

Plus the negative incentives for ICE production by setting unrealistic fuel efficiency and emission regs.

 

[Axxe55]

I dunno for sure, but i think the only subsidy carmakers get is related to batteries. But there’s probably more that i’m not aware of.

Plus the negative incentives for ICE production by setting unrealistic fuel efficiency and emission regs.

the set them so highto force the manufacturers into submitting to government mandates

 

[Axxe55]

the set them so highto force the manufacturers into submitting to government mandates

they are pushing for vehicles in which the technology doesn't exist for what they want!

 

[Wudidiz]

Smells like communism. God gave us that dinosaur juice cause he wanted us to drive gas motor Chevies.

 

[striker55]

they are pushing for vehicles in which the technology doesn't exist for what they want!

And why is that? Because they own stock in those companies. I think the people who try to control us are in it for the money. Look at the lifelong politicians who have become rich.

 

[AR1911]

As Ford loses billions on EVs, the company embraces hybrids

Ford's hybrid hype runs counter to recent messaging from the Detroit automakers, which have touted the performance and popularity of all-electric favorites.

www.cnbc.com

This^^^ I commented earlier that we have a Tesla, a Shelby Mustang, and a F150 Hybrid. The Tesla is here to stay, as is the F150
Two issues on these:
- It's expensive to ensure a Tesla. I'm renewing tomorrow after shopping hard for a month. Tesla is $1300/year. The F150 is $900/year.
- F150 has been in the shop for 2 months now, trying to get the OTA updates to work. This is a problem mostly with the first 2021 models.

Fortunately I have a nice 2023 F150 loaner with the base 2.7 Ecoboost. I actually like it better than my Hybrid - and it gets better fuel economy.

That said, when Ford comes with a Bronco Sport in EV or hybrid, the Mustang will be replaced.

 

[Grumps21]

If they would just build cars instead of 4 wheeled computers, OTA updates would not be needed. I’m still trying to understand what needs “updating” and why so often that makes OTA needed. Is this their way of saying the buying public are the beta testers?

 

[Shady]

Well not all of them are staying My lightning is going lol. I got offered almost 20K more than I paid. Thanks car gurus. they had there inspectors look it over on Sat and a pick up date of the 9th.

 

[AR1911]

If they would just build cars instead of 4 wheeled computers, OTA updates would not be needed. I’m still trying to understand what needs “updating” and why so often that makes OTA needed. Is this their way of saying the buying public are the beta testers?

Like it or not it’s happening. The upside is you get some nice added features without buying a new vehicle. It works fine on the Teslas. My wife loves it when a new update drops Ford‘s system still has teething problems.

 

[kbaxter60]

I always watch this guy on 2X speed so the video only wastes half as much time.

If you don't watch him at all, it wastes infinity less.

 

[TNHoosier]

Like it or not it’s happening. The upside is you get some nice added features without buying a new vehicle. It works fine on the Teslas. My wife loves it when a new update drops Ford‘s system still has teething problems.

And some of the "added features" will have a monthly subscription to be enabled. You paid for the hardware when you bought the vehicle, now you have a monthly fee to 'flip the bit' so you can use it.

 

[TheDan]

One of the first things I do when I get a new device is figure out how to disable
OTA updates. Kinda interesting how I can keep the same smartphone for 5 years without it slowing down...

 

[benenglish]

The upside is you get some nice added features

The downside is that you get some terrible features.

It may seem infantile of me but a truck that acts like that is one I will never own.

 

[Ozzman]

Problem is, we're a long way from the future.

10-years tops...
When the 2010 Nissan Leaf first came out, it only had a 100-mile range.

Now in 2023, the EV range average is around 230 miles.
That's 230% in only 13 years; imagine the tech in another 10...

The Bolt today boasts 259 miles per charge, and the luxury Lucid Air has a 516-mile range.
Face it, 10 years is a blink of an eye when it comes to infrastructure. If we need it and don't have it; we have a big problem.

And what about the grid that can't handle 5% of the cars being EV?

Us engineering (consultants) are working on it. State/federally funded of course.
Some of the design concepts are wild and innovative, but as I said; "DO NOTHING", is a bad option.

 

[Havok1]

10-years tops...
When the 2010 Nissan Leaf first came out, it only had a 100-mile range.

Now in 2023, the EV range average is around 230 miles.
That's 230% in only 13 years; imagine the tech in another 10...

The Bolt today boasts 259 miles per charge, and the luxury Lucid Air has a 516-mile range.
Face it, 10 years is a blink of an eye when it comes to infrastructure. If we need it and don't have it; we have a big problem.



Us engineering (consultants) are working on it. State/federally funded of course.
Some of the design concepts are wild and innovative, but as I said; "DO NOTHING", is a bad option.

The only people saying we need it are the politicians who are making money from forcing the change on everyone.

 

[innominate]

10-years tops...
When the 2010 Nissan Leaf first came out, it only had a 100-mile range.

Now in 2023, the EV range average is around 230 miles.
That's 230% in only 13 years; imagine the tech in another 10...

The Bolt today boasts 259 miles per charge, and the luxury Lucid Air has a 516-mile range.
Face it, 10 years is a blink of an eye when it comes to infrastructure. If we need it and don't have it; we have a big problem.



Us engineering (consultants) are working on it. State/federally funded of course.
Some of the design concepts are wild and innovative, but as I said; "DO NOTHING", is a bad option.

That not because the tech has made great leaps. It's because the leaf battery was just 24kwh. The bolt has a 65kwh battery.

 

[Ozzman]

That not because the tech has made great leaps. It's because the leaf battery was just 24kwh. The bolt has a 65kwh battery.

Yes, upgrading to a 24-64kWh battery was part of it...

However, I strongly disagree with your statement that tech companies have not made significant leaps. As someone working in the Civil/Transportation sector and closely engaging with these developments, I can attest to the remarkable progress being achieved each day.

I understand that not everyone may like this, but I urge you all to recognize the consequences if we don't prepare. Infrastructure development and project letting for these improvements will start in 2024. Bigger cities like El Paso, San Antonio, Houston, and Dallas/FW will see these changes first, some will not... Unfortunately, these will be also the locations (especially those with the most naysayers) that will be left behind.

Don't forget, I personally prefer diesel, and I am as conservative as you are, but the change is coming fast.
The new "Apple Stock" is ROV and automation... keep that in mind too.

 

[Brains]

Until battery technology improves, electric vehicles will continue to suck.