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  • HawkeyeSATX

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    What the "leftist" doesn't tell you about Islam is: the word Islam means to SUBMIT. In the Quran, that means to submit peacefully, or by force!
    There isn't any such thing as other religions e.g. Judaism, or Christianity under their rule.
    Even though the Quran says they are to be allowed under Islam. Most Muslims don't adhere to this policy.
    Plus, if we were to have Muslim Judges, or more Politicians, their plan isn't to follow the Constitution. Their Shari'a laws trump anything else.
    So yeah, Obama saying it's a religion of peace, was exactly what he did every day in office. LIE!


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    But essentially, Merkel was sold as a "conservative" leader. People bought it and she flipped. There are rumors that she is controlled by foreign powers since Germany is the economic powerhouse of the EU. Since she is someone elses lapdog, she can be used to open up the floodgates and has done just that since 2012 ( Right around the same time Gaddafi was killed by Obamas administration wow what a coincidence). Any country who tries to resist this is punished with sanctions. Look how Viktor Orban is treated for refusing to allow any muslims into Hungary. The bottom line is a certain group of people is orchestrating the ethnic genocide of Europeans off the face of the earth. Its happening here and its happening there.

    Ideas can't survive if there aren't people who are responsible and smart enough to embody them. Dumping room temp iq third worlders into western countries is done purely to dilute the culture, laws, race and ethnic origins of those countries. Look at South Africa or Rhodesia if you want a view of the future for white people. Or look at this poor teacher. He thought he could say whatever he wanted in the most secular country in the world and he got his head cut off for it. The universe doesn't respect weakness.

    Tolerance is for f@ggots.
     

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    So what is the real story? I really don't know.

    There is no short version. Western Europe, north of the Alps, are fairly homogenous Christian national populations where immigration without assimilation really is viewed as invasion.

    The media paints the North Africans as immigrants; the public and public policy views them as a refugees, which is pretty much what they are, in fact.

    The promise of a safe and better life in a modern nation is rarely achieved by refugees because their fight is for survival, where as the average European’s fight is to maintain status quo. The two fights are incompatible.
     

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    There is no short version. Western Europe, north of the Alps, are fairly homogenous Christian national populations where immigration without assimilation really is viewed as invasion.

    The media paints the North Africans as immigrants; the public and public policy views them as a refugees, which is pretty much what they are, in fact.

    The promise of a safe and better life in a modern nation is rarely achieved by refugees because their fight is for survival, where as the average European’s fight is to maintain status quo. The two fights are incompatible.
    Military aged males (or women too if you want to get all equal and stuff) should never be refugees. Especially if they want us to go fight their war.

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    Charlie Martel to the white courtesy phone.
    Would a Mr. Charlie Martel please pick up the white courtesy phone.
    Mr. Martel to the white courtesy phone please.
    I'm confused. Are you saying trying to make sense of this is like trying to row across the ocean?
     

    etmo

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    So what is the real story? I really don't know.

    There are many threads to the story. An important one is economics. Germany is the economic engine that drives Europe. Nobody else comes close. Without Germany, the EU collapses overnight, especially since England is out.

    OK, so the German economy is key to the survival of the EU. They're kicking azz, as usual, what's the problem? Problem is that they, like most wealthy nations, are not reproducing at a replacement rate. Germany has tens of thousands of jobs that they need filled yesterday, and hundreds of thousands of jobs they will need filled in the coming years, if their standard of strong economic performance is to be maintained, and thus the EU can be maintained.

    Who is going to work those jobs? The Germans aren't making enough Germans. So they started thinking, and as has been the case far too often in this new millenia, idiot progressives put forth a stupid idea which became reality -- let's fling open the doors, and let a bunch of scumbag extremist muslims into our very homogeneous, Christian nation. As you can imagine, the SHTF, because extremist muslims don't want to assimilate, they want to rape Western women for not covering their heads (and yes, rape has spiked like crazy wherever muslims have immigrated into Europe, as well as many other crimes of violence).
     

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    Setting aside the religion aspect, a brief history of Europe/Africa/Middle East relations can be generally summed up like this:

    Starting with the Greco-Roman empire, the modern western European culture, which spawned America, developed from the stone age wheel to walking on the moon because governments figured out the best thing to do was divorce itself from religion and allow scientific advancement and knowledge to make life better over a period of close to two millenia.

    Meanwhile, neighbors to the south and southeast took various paths of theocracy, persecuted and suppressed scientific knowledge, and basically stunted their growth somewhere in the 600s AD through four centuries of crusades, and another few hundred years of living as nomadic hunter-gatherers squabbling over what flavor of belief system was superior to the other two or three or four competing flavors.

    Then, up up through the ground came a bubblin crude. Oil that is, black gold, Texas tea. The west wanted it and the others had it. The west showed up with modern technology and fast forwarded close to 1500 years of advancement on pretty much medieval-era peoples.

    Expecting those cultures to assimilate to or mesh with western expectations essentially overnight, is a folly. Failing to understand the brief history above is failing to understand why we are where we are today.

    For deeper understanding, I recommend people read two books, Why the West Has Won : Carnage and Culture from Salamis to Vietnam by Victor Davis Hanson, and Guns, Germs, and Steel by Jared Diamond and then decide which competing version makes more sense.
     

    HawkeyeSATX

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    I know a lot of people think it as a joke, but look at Vlad Dracul, and his stopping the hoards of Turkish Ottaman Muslims that could have invaded Europe during the renaissance era.
    Yes, he may have been cruel to the prisoners he captured, and impaled them. But look at the alternative of what would have happened if he wasn't as cruel as he was. He helped to stop the Islamic invasion as well.
    The people of Romania look at him as a hero. And maybe rightfully so, as we should maybe look at him in the same light. Not as a monster he was made out to be, by his enemies, or by Hollywood.
    He was raised a Janissary in the Ottaman empire. He saw the atrocities they committed in the name of Islam. He was made to submit to Islam, and it's teachings while under their control.
    And yet, he still was a Christian, and a fervent believer in Christianity.
    On top of that, he was a believer in the European way of life. Even though he had many enemies in the Austro-Hungarian empire, and Germany.
    He had to be cruel, to keep those rabid dogs off his, and everyone's door step.
    Yet, we see that all of what he stood for is now being erased by such lofty "liberals" in our modern European countries.
    What a shame!



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    When I was in Korea, I went into the day room and saw a great kung fu flick on TV. It seemed like buddhist monks were fighting people invading their temple. Hand to hand, staves, and whatever else was available, and it was choreographed so well. I asked what movie it was and they said "What movie? This is live from the largest buddhist temple in Seoul!"

    My point is that every religion has it share of radicals, extremists, or what have you - although to be fair, it seems like Islam seems to have more than its fair share. Telling people it is not their own fault for being poor, homeless, etc., it is the fault of the infidels. All they have to do is take it from the infidels. And if they die "fighting" for Islam then they get their reward in paradise.

    The problem is the ones who feel they are not getting what they "deserve". They are the ones who end up in Islam, BLM, or Antifa. They are too smart to work and get ahead. So they figure if they can not get what they want they will destroy it.
     

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    There are many threads to the story. An important one is economics. Germany is the economic engine that drives Europe. Nobody else comes close. Without Germany, the EU collapses overnight, especially since England is out.

    OK, so the German economy is key to the survival of the EU. They're kicking azz, as usual, what's the problem? Problem is that they, like most wealthy nations, are not reproducing at a replacement rate. Germany has tens of thousands of jobs that they need filled yesterday, and hundreds of thousands of jobs they will need filled in the coming years, if their standard of strong economic performance is to be maintained, and thus the EU can be maintained.

    Who is going to work those jobs? The Germans aren't making enough Germans. So they started thinking, and as has been the case far too often in this new millenia, idiot progressives put forth a stupid idea which became reality -- let's fling open the doors, and let a bunch of scumbag extremist muslims into our very homogeneous, Christian nation. As you can imagine, the SHTF, because extremist muslims don't want to assimilate, they want to rape Western women for not covering their heads (and yes, rape has spiked like crazy wherever muslims have immigrated into Europe, as well as many other crimes of violence).


    Easily summed up by the saying, you can't shit in the kitchen and call it food.
     

    cycleguy2300

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    Setting aside the religion aspect, a brief history of Europe/Africa/Middle East relations can be generally summed up like this:

    Starting with the Greco-Roman empire, the modern western European culture, which spawned America, developed from the stone age wheel to walking on the moon because governments figured out the best thing to do was divorce itself from religion and allow scientific advancement and knowledge to make life better over a period of close to two millenia.

    Meanwhile, neighbors to the south and southeast took various paths of theocracy, persecuted and suppressed scientific knowledge, and basically stunted their growth somewhere in the 600s AD through four centuries of crusades, and another few hundred years of living as nomadic hunter-gatherers squabbling over what flavor of belief system was superior to the other two or three or four competing flavors.

    Then, up up through the ground came a bubblin crude. Oil that is, black gold, Texas tea. The west wanted it and the others had it. The west showed up with modern technology and fast forwarded close to 1500 years of advancement on pretty much medieval-era peoples.

    Expecting those cultures to assimilate to or mesh with western expectations essentially overnight, is a folly. Failing to understand the brief history above is failing to understand why we are where we are today.

    For deeper understanding, I recommend people read two books, Why the West Has Won : Carnage and Culture from Salamis to Vietnam by Victor Davis Hanson, and Guns, Germs, and Steel by Jared Diamond and then decide which competing version makes more sense.
    Incidentally "The Long Shadow" is an out of the trenches history of the Great War and it really explained a lot about Europe and near east politics for me. It is an excellent 3 episode series

    "Stalin: The Man of Steel" is great too.

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