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    Hello. Below is the text of an email I just sent an informal group I keep updated on Second Amendment issues:

    "Federal Directive to Destroy Fired Military Cases in .223 & .308

    Here is the link: Government Destroys Once Fired Brass Cases

    Here is one immediate result: Attention

    Georgia-Arms is a major supplier of reloaded ammunition.

    Here is a link to make contacting elected representatives.

    Contact Elected Officials: USA.gov

    I figured that the sob’s would try and hit ammo first since the Heller decision sort of slowed some of their efforts there. Here we are in an economic crisis and the military, which is supported by the taxpayers has to deplete the value of fired cases by 80%. Doesn’t make a lick of sense unless the primary aim is to reduce ammunition available to the honest American citizen for either private reloading or reloading companies.

    I sort of doubt that Bin Laden has an account with RCBS.

    We are the ultimate end-users of these cases and thus, the end targets of this change of policy.

    Obama and his socialists can keep this ill-thought, wasteful “change”.

    It is simply "back door gun control".

    Stephen A. Camp

    Best.
    Military Camp
     

    DCortez

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    One final thought. The military can sell reloadable brass for $2.00 per pound. Brass that has been destroyed for reloading purposes and value sells for about 35 cents per pound. So the DLA is expecting taxpayers to pay DoD extra to make reloadable brass unavailable to civilian gun owners.

    Printing your own money must be nice. :(
     
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    Reading the directive closely (and it is NOT a Presidential Decree as some on other sites have said), cases "50 caliber and under" can be sold in the US for reloading. The question is how long will that remain true? With but a little quiet nudging from the would-be federal gun-banners, that directive might be expanded; at least I think so. I don't trust 'em one inch. I think we should make it known now that we oppose this completely.

    Best.
     

    JKTex

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    It appears tat it may be an error in a policy change that included brass with the intended, disposition of sensitive materials.

    So far it appears the only thing in writing is from private companies, primarily the email from Government Liquidators, who also export. Apparently they purchase all of the material from the government "then" they resell it vs the old government auction system.

    I've also heard it said that some private business is using this to create panic for their own benefit.

    Who knows, but the only response I've come across supposedly from an actual government source is one of bewilderment. I say give it a few days to shake out so it can be seen for what it really is.
     

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    Contact Montana Senator Max Baucus, chairman of the Senate Finance committee. He could limit DOD's budget until they relent on this. With all brass going to the military, we will have none at all forever.
     

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    If the fifth largest reloader in this country can not get brass to reload we all have a problem. A real problem. This is not unlike the export ban that popped up a few weeks ago. Its a trial balloon. Its up and we need to shoot it down.
    Its going to be like this until Obama is history. One thing after another.
     

    JKTex

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    Its going to be like this until Obama is history. One thing after another.

    Some of y'all put blind folds on trying not to discover the truth so you can continue to throw your hands in the air and scream for a revolution. That ought to be a song!


    It's coming out now that a new waiver is out or coming out to reverse this and it seems as though this indeed was a mistake or misunderstanding.

    Government Liquidators has reportedly confirmed this by phone and will be updating their web-site but would take 24 hours.

    Sorry, but it appears anyway, that the fire may be getting put out.
     

    shilohshooters

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    Mistake or misunderstanding? Even if the aforementioned "reversal" does happen, isn't this "misunderstanding" one of such hysteria-causing magnitude, that if you or I were to commit such a "mistake" in our jobs, we certainly would no longer be holding employment? Anyone who believes an innocent misunderstanding has occured here, even if substantiated by our oh-so integrity fueled "news" media, should step right in line with the rest of the sheeple. This is only the beginning, in my humble opinion. BTW, if anyone who requires the amount of ammunition it takes to run a shooting range doesn't feel like there is an AMMO HYSTERIA going on, please share your suppliers information. That would be greatly appreciated!
     

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    Heard this morning that order has been recinded. The fine Senators from Montana helped do that. They need our written thanks, pleas e-mail them on a good job. phew!
     

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    Note for those of you citing this as an secret, evil Obama attempt to disarm America. Notice as previously pointed out, it was something that was done last year, not under this administration. It just wasn't thought though when they tossed the blanket. Just another bureaucratic snafu. Anyone surprised?

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    STATEMENT FROM NRA CHIEF LOBBYIST CHRIS W. COX

    Military Surplus Cartridge Case Issue Resolved

    Wednesday, March 18, 2009

    Yesterday morning, the Department of Defense informed NRA-ILA that fired military small arms cartridge cases are once again eligible for sale, following a temporary suspension in such sales instituted last week. NRA-ILA began discussions with DoD shortly after the suspension took effect, and we were assured from the beginning that efforts were underway to resolve the issue favorably.

    Yesterday afternoon, DoD additionally confirmed the lifting of the suspension to pro-Second Amendment United States Senators Max Baucus (D-Mont.) and Jon Tester (D-Mont.), who sent the Defense Logistics Agency (DLA) a joint letter vigorously opposing the suspension, on the grounds that it had "an impact on small businesses who sell reloaded ammunition utilizing these fired casings, and upon individual gun owners who purchase spent military brass at considerable cost savings for their personal use."

    Everyone who would have been impacted by the suspension, had it become permanent, owes thanks to Senator Baucus for his leadership on this issue, as well as to Sen. Tester and U.S. Rep. Denny Rehberg (R-Mont.), who also weighed in strongly on behalf of gun owners and the suppliers from whom they obtain ammunition reloaded with surplus military brass.

    In announcing that the suspension has been lifted, DoD also made clear that no cartridge cases that, in the absence of the suspension, would have been sold for reloading purposes were destroyed while the suspension was in effect. Such cases were instead protected by DoD during the suspension, and are again eligible for sale. With ammunition currently in short supply, that was welcome news, to be sure.

    DLA also put to rest various theories and rumors that were circulated on the internet, concerning the reason for the suspension. As DLA explained to Senators Baucus and Tester, and to NRA-ILA, DoD officials responsible for the demilitarization of military property temporarily halted the release of the cartridge cases last week, pending review of a policy change issued last year by the Office of the Secretary of Defense, which, in the interest of national security, halted the sale of items within a broad category of government property including, but not limited to, surplus small arms cartridge cases.

    To make cartridge cases eligible for sale once again, DoD demilitarization officials verified that the cases could be appropriately placed in a category of government property allowing for their release for use within the United States, and then executed the recategorization. Whereas during the brief suspension, fired cartridge cases would have been releaseable only if the purchaser crushed or smelted them, now the cases may be sold as before, intact and reloadable.

    DoD also assured NRA-ILA that companies previously authorized to purchase cartridge cases under Trade Security Controls need no further vetting at this time, and are eligible to resume purchasing cases under the policy adopted yesterday.
    In sum, a problem that could have had serious repercussions for the remanufactured ammunition industry and the countless gun owners who support it, appears to have been resolved quickly.
     

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    Ok, so after all of this talk, can anyone explain to a simple country boy, exactly where the ammo has disappeared to? I've heard that the suppliers have just run out due to a demand at the first of the year. But if this was the case, and my name was Mr Remington, I would fire the moron that heads up my production dept for not seeing in advance what this lowly country boy spotted last fall. The way it appears to me, is that the ammo is just plain gone. Not sold, not on back order, just gone. I had a milwork contractor tell me a while back on the day his package was to hit my jobsite that unforeseen circumstances had forced him to start my order from scratch. I knew BS when I heard it, and found out that he had shipped my package elsewhere. So, assuming that Mr Remington's employees are not all morons, where is the ammo going that has been made and is being made? I'm an old guy, been buying ammo for 35 years, and I've never seen it just go poof, well, at least until AFTER I pulled the trigger. And "sky is falling" or not, I get a little tikked when someone tinkles on my boots and tells me its raining, if the powers that be can snatch our ammo from the plants, under whatever guise or premise, then citizens are about to become subjects.

    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -Benjamin Franklin 1759
     

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    Ok, so after all of this talk, can anyone explain to a simple country boy, exactly where the ammo has disappeared to? I've heard that the suppliers have just run out due to a demand at the first of the year. But if this was the case, and my name was Mr Remington, I would fire the moron that heads up my production dept for not seeing in advance what this lowly country boy spotted last fall. The way it appears to me, is that the ammo is just plain gone. Not sold, not on back order, just gone. I had a milwork contractor tell me a while back on the day his package was to hit my jobsite that unforeseen circumstances had forced him to start my order from scratch. I knew BS when I heard it, and found out that he had shipped my package elsewhere. So, assuming that Mr Remington's employees are not all morons, where is the ammo going that has been made and is being made? I'm an old guy, been buying ammo for 35 years, and I've never seen it just go poof, well, at least until AFTER I pulled the trigger. And "sky is falling" or not, I get a little tikked when someone tinkles on my boots and tells me its raining, if the powers that be can snatch our ammo from the plants, under whatever guise or premise, then citizens are about to become subjects.

    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -Benjamin Franklin 1759


    I think you posted in the the wrong thread. This one has nothing to do with ammo availability, and it's been dead for a while. It was over-hyped then killed within a few days. ;)

    There are several other threads discussing ammo availability or shortages but that topic has been going on for quite some time. It didn't just happen since the first of the year.
     

    sean_bart1

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    I go to these government auctions to find .223 brass. 1860 pounds went for $9400.00!!!! There is about 70 rounds in a pound give or take a few. 1860lbs is about 130000 rounds. That's the highest Ive seen it get to. I don't think the government give a flip on recouping "free" money that they steal from us in one way or the other.
     
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