Ghosting companies

[Maverick44]

Now this is interesting, and honestly I feel well deserved.

https://money.yahoo.com/career-builders-ceo-gen-z-workforce-181045113.html

Basically, the younger generations are ghosting companies (quitting without notice, or never showing up in the first place).

Now, let me say that I have never done this. I do try to be respectful to my employer even when they don't return that respect. BUT, I fully understand why someone would ghost their company. There's a significant lack of respect and support for employees in a sickening amount of businesses. They are seen as nothing more than replaceable bodies. There's no longer any loyalty. When employees can be fired on the spot for no reason, when their benefits suck, when they work their ass off for a $0.10 raise, and when they have to fight for a day off, why should an employer expect respect in return?

I've even heard numerous stories of people being fired within hours of giving their 2 week notice. Yeah, that's sure to encourage people to leave a job the right way...

Whether you agree with the younger generations doing this or not, you gotta admit that it's going to force companies to change how they treat employees if they want this behavior to stop. Millennial are already the majority of the workforce in America, and Gen Z will take over after them. It's going to be a very long time before the next generation takes over, and they might do the same thing. Companies really don't have a choice if they want to retain workers and foster good relationships. They are going to have to change their cultures to one that respect and has loyalty to their employees.

Respect is a two way street.

 

[txinvestigator]

Where do you get all of your anecdotal evidence?

I don't find your conclusions to be true.

 

[Maverick44]

Where do you get all of your anecdotal evidence?

I don't find your conclusions to be true.

Personal experience, first hand accounts, simple research.

What specifically do you find fault with?

 

[baboon]

Over all the years I worked co-workers & employers all warned me about burning bridges. My response was I never burn them, rather then choosing to blow thm the phuc up!

 

[Hoji]

Where do you get all of your anecdotal evidence?

I don't find your conclusions to be true.

I have seen it in the oilfield and in other industries.
Employee gives a two week notice and are often fired at the end of that day.
I have also seen ( personal experience) employers bending over backwards to keep an employee that gives notice, but I have seen the former far more often than the latter.

 

[Axxe55]

I can understand this mentality, but personally I don't condone it. I have been treated unfairly in the past by employers, but I try not to let the actions of others to dictate the way I act.

Any time I took money to do a job, I was loyal to that person, or company. When they did something that jeoporized my ability to remain loyal, I knew that it was time to find new employment somewhere else.

Over my career of more than forty five years, I have sat on both sides of the desk. Both as an employee, and as boss. And yes, respect is a two-way street. You have to give respect, in order to expect respect in return.

Also just an observation, and a question for discussion. What if many companies, or employers are simply reacting to how employees are treating them? Not saying that this is the case, just wondering.

 

[MTA]

I have seen it in the oilfield and in other industries.
Employee gives a two week notice and are often fired at the end of that day.
I have also seen ( personal experience) employers bending over backwards to keep an employee that gives notice, but I have seen the former far more often than the latter.

Happens in software too. My last company tried to give me a really large increase in salary to put up with the endless amounts of third world bullshit I had to deal with. I left and went to the contracting world for awhile which was much better.

That same company would show some people the door once they gave their two weeks

 

[Axxe55]

Many times in the past, (majority of the time.) my leaving a company, or an employer, was well thought out and a carefully planned move.

I would find out what amount of time I had built up, (vacation, holiday and sick time.) and that was usually the time period for my exit notice. I also made a written formal notice of leaving and would give a copy to my immediate supervisor, and HR, or the owner, whichever was appropriate in the given situation.

 

[Fishkiller]

I have seen it in the oilfield and in other industries.
Employee gives a two week notice and are often fired at the end of that day.
I have also seen ( personal experience) employers bending over backwards to keep an employee that gives notice, but I have seen the former far more often than the latter.

Having been on the hiring and firing side of things. When a really good employee gives notice you try to keep them on. If they are marginal say adios. The last this you want is this marginal employee spreading rot with the ones left, so you let them go. We would pay out the 2 weeks, but they were ushered out the door that day.

 

[TheDan]

Every situation is different. I used to be a manager and never had anyone ghost on me, but I've seen it at my current workplace a couple times.

We've had a lot of people get fired for putting in their two weeks notice as well, but it depends on who sees the notice. Normally it's not an issue, but there's a particular c-level person who is a petulant man-child and if he catches wind of someone resigning he'll fire them.

I've been here 6 years, by the way. Survived a few RIFs; might not survive the next one. I'm tempted to ghost them if I find something else before that. Management has broken some promises, so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[majormadmax]

We had an employee simply not show up one day, she just called and quit. There was training scheduled that she was in charge of, and we scrambled to get it completed. Several people tried to reach out to her, but she just left and, if I was told correctly, went to Mexico for a few weeks for an impromptu vacation.

To be honest, she left because she was in over her head with this job; but to leave abruptly definitely didn't work in her favor either. Turned out she had several large, work-related travel charges on her company credit card that she failed to file for, and when the bill came she miraculously got back in touch with the company to do so. Unfortunately for her, she was told it wasn't the company's problem anymore.

I see your point that most companies these days put profits over employees, but I also see a generation that lacks dedication and loyalty. I think both sides are to blame and I don't see any benefit that would come from "ghosting" a company. I work in a relatively select career field where such a reputation would be fatal, yet I've seen several instances were people ignorantly conduct themselves in such a manner without thinking of the consequences.

Employment is a two-way street, and that relationship is even more tenuous in "at will" states such as Texas. I have been lucky in that I've pretty much been constantly employed for the last 40 years, but I've also worked hard and not only carrying my load and more, but making myself more valuable to my company. Training and education is an investment that many don't seem to realize these days, but knowing how cut throat conditions may get especially during contract renegotiation (which we are coming up on), I would prefer to have as many odds on my side as possible.

Never let an employer realize how much better they could be without you!

 

[Maverick44]

I see your point that most companies these days put profits over employees, but I also see a generation that lacks dedication and loyalty. I think both sides are to blame and I don't see any benefit that would come from "ghosting" a company.

I don't disagree, but at the same time, is it reasonable to expect employees to be loyal and dedicated to an employer that couldn't care less about them?

I feel that the majority of the fault here lies with employers, not the employees. I believe that once employers start taking care of their employees, that they'll start receiving the dedication and loyalty from those employees.

I can only speak for myself, but I will bend over backwards and work my ass off for someone who treats me right and gives me respect. I'll pick up extra shifts, I'll take on extra work, you name it and I'll do it. I will do the bare minimum that my job requires (I will still do it right, but I will not go out of my way to do anything for them) for those who treat me like a replaceable machine.

A little bit of respect can go a long ways.

 

[pronstar]

My experience stems from dealing with young folks, is from an industry (advertising) that skews young, and one that caters to them.

Here are some miscellaneous ramblings:

As job candidates:
Ever bring your parent(s) to a job interview?
Or have your parents call to negotiate a a salary?
Me either...but I got to deal with that.

On the job:
Ever deal with folks who asked for raises literally every time they completed a job task, no matter how menial?
I got to deal with that.

Maternity:
CA has very generous benefits here.
Ever have someone start working, reveal they’re pregnant immediately after being hired, go on maternity leave after 12 weeks on the job, then quit when they were scheduled to return to work?
I got to deal with that.

On the job:
Ever have someone go to HR and complain that you say mean things, when this person refused to do their job responsibilities?
I got to deal with that.

Quitting:
We paid people out for two weeks, but would escort them off the premises if they bothered to give notice.

Sometimes they just stopped showing up.
Other times, they’d have their parents call and let us know their kid quit.

I got to deal with all of that.



We reap what we sow.




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[oldag]

I see problems on both sides.

 

[MTA]

My experience stems from dealing with young folks, is from an industry (advertising) that skews young, and one that caters to them.

Here are some miscellaneous ramblings:

As job candidates:
Ever bring your parent(s) to a job interview?
Or have tour parents call to negotiate a a salary?
Me either...but I got to deal with that.


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Lmao really?

 

[pronstar]

Lmao really?

The shit I got to deal with would make your head explode LOL


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[majormadmax]

I don't disagree, but at the same time, is it reasonable to expect employees to be loyal and dedicated to an employer that couldn't care less about them?

I feel that the majority of the fault here lies with employers, not the employees. I believe that once employers start taking care of their employees, that they'll start receiving the dedication and loyalty from those employees.

I can only speak for myself, but I will bend over backwards and work my ass off for someone who treats me right and gives me respect. I'll pick up extra shifts, I'll take on extra work, you name it and I'll do it. I will do the bare minimum that my job requires (I will still do it right, but I will not go out of my way to do anything for them) for those who treat me like a replaceable machine.

A little bit of respect can go a long ways.

Very reasonable, but I think the blame goes equally on both sides as I have witnessed just as much buffoonery from employees as I have companies.

My company, which I have worked for going on 14 years now, has taken good care of me and I like to think I've done the same for them. That is the mutually-beneficial relationship any employer-employee should work to achieve.

But I also spent 25 years in the military, where such matters are constantly being debated. People have different reasons for joining, some are more noble than others; and the sacrifices required are not to the tastes of many but the rewards can be exceedingly high.

Every job will have its ups and downs, but one has to look at the long-term trends and their own goals to determine if they are in the right field of employment. A person's career is their responsibility, not their companies.

So my bottom line is that I believe this is can be just as much a failure on the part of the workforce as it is the management...

 

[MTA]

The shit I got to deal with would make your head explode LOL


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lmfao as a "millennial" who was out the door of my parents house at 17, I think id piss myself laughing if someone conferenced in their parents during a job interview or negotiating a salary

 

[EZ-E]

I don't disagree, but at the same time, is it reasonable to expect employees to be loyal and dedicated to an employer that couldn't care less about them?

I feel that the majority of the fault here lies with employers, not the employees. I believe that once employers start taking care of their employees, that they'll start receiving the dedication and loyalty from those employees.

I can only speak for myself, but I will bend over backwards and work my ass off for someone who treats me right and gives me respect. I'll pick up extra shifts, I'll take on extra work, you name it and I'll do it. I will do the bare minimum that my job requires (I will still do it right, but I will not go out of my way to do anything for them) for those who treat me like a replaceable machine.

A little bit of respect can go a long ways.

This is why im leaving my company after 18 years. I cant wait to give my 2 week notice in a few months.

 

[pronstar]

lmfao as a "millennial" who was out the door of my parents house at 17, I think id piss myself laughing if someone conferenced in their parents during a job interview or negotiating a salary

Don’t forget the crying, “safe spaces” and attending psychologists after the last presidential election LOL

And that reminds me...when Obama won his first term, we had a handful of black employees running around the agency, rolling up on people and proclaiming in their faces “thanks white people!”...and this was not discouraged.


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