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    Dougw1515

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    Yea, that's probably one of the most obvious and Wray and Barr have not done anything and as near as I can tell don't have any plans to do so.

    Got any examples where any of this has gone to court and led to any kind of penalties ? Only people who have gone to jail under the current administration have been republicans and Trump people.

    Republicans are incompetent and/or idiots about following through on any of this. Why aren't rioters, looters, arsonists and BLM and Antifa people in prison and being tried for crimes ?
    I'm a bit confused. You asked "What crimes" 30K emails was mentioned. Destroying cell phones, authorizing spying on your opposing political party. Giving guns to Mexican cartels, getting the Chinese to give your son several hundred million dollars, having Ukraine give your son a seat, a paying seat, on a company board whose business he knows "ZILCH" about. There's more but I'll stop there. You wanted a list of crimes. Now you want a list prosecution cases. In an effort to circle the wagons, so to speak, this conversation was about conducting illegal activities to counteract the Democrats. The opposing view was there is no need/desire to promote illegal activities when there's an truck load of "REAL" actions that could be taken. Whether the those in power will or won't pursue criminal investigations/charges is irrelevant. If they won't do that which is legal. I'm thinking they won't do that which is illegal either. So promoting illegal activities is kind of a waste of time. Unless you're suggesting "we the people" conduct said illegal activities.
     

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    But that's so insignificant that you can't even remember his name. He was in fact a dweeb and putting him away for 100 years won't change anything.

    The statement was, "I'd prefer we catch them cheating and throw them in jail. Make a big public display and shame the Dem party. "

    How much public display and shame did that insignificant little twerp cast on the democrats ?


    so are you going to just keep moving the goal post ?
     

    gambler

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    so are you going to just keep moving the goal post ?
    The goal post is shaming the democrats to the point that it has a significant and major impact on their support.

    All of the list you give is stuff that is talked about (mostly by FOX news) but nothing is done about it. Why do you think after 4 years anyone is going to really pursue the wiped emails, cell phones, Hunter Biden, etc.

    Tell me something that is being seriously pursued and can and will be charged and tried anytime in our life time ? And if we lost the presidency and the senate this time, which is a distinct possibility, this country is screwed and lost for ever.
     

    Axxe55

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    But that's so insignificant that you can't even remember his name. He was in fact a dweeb and putting him away for 100 years won't change anything.

    The statement was, "I'd prefer we catch them cheating and throw them in jail. Make a big public display and shame the Dem party. "

    How much public display and shame did that insignificant little twerp cast on the democrats ?

    You really don't have the first clue as to what is going on. These issues didn't happen over night. They have been festering and dug in deep for over twelve years. That deep state that has been talked about for several years, and that have been opposing Trump since he was elected. Trump was never suppose to win in the first place. Hillary was suppose to. Getting Trump out of office was always the goal. He's been privy to information that the Obama Administration never wanted to see the light of day. Hillary getting elected, would have protected those secrets. I would suspect that much of those secrets involve National Security issues, and will never be made public, and some of those secrets, are some of the deep states get out of jail free passes.

    Investigations of this magnitude take time to build a successful case and to root out the corruption and criminality. I suspect there is a whole lot more going on that is being aired every day in the evening news.

    One of the key facts that seems to escape you is this: Knowing people have done something is wrong, (and we the American people know.) is one thing. Proving it in a court of law and getting a conviction is entirely a different thing. We talk and discuss this every day. There's plenty of corruption going on.

    ANYTHING that makes the evening news, is just the very tip of the iceberg. there is plenty going on that isn't being talked about. You seem to come on here just about every day, whining and moaning, about all these things politically that gripe your butt. Declaring this and that, that should be done. We need to play their own game against them is crap and nonsense. Strikes me as juvenile and immature. What are you twelve years old, or a grown adult? You want to retaliate against the Democrats, the corrupt leadership, ANTIFA, the BLM and all others like a child would react to them. Mature adults figure out the problem, then solve those problems in legal manner. Solving those problems in the legal manner, solves them for years to come. Your ideas, would turn around and bite every American loving, law-abiding conservative in the butt in the long run and would, or will have disastrous results that our children, grandchildren and great grandchildren would be paying for. Cheating to gain something, just because the other side is doing it, is wrong. Period. Yeah, we might win a little something in the short term, but lose so much more in the long term.

    But go ahead. Keep right on ranting, and raving. I'm sure others find your posts just and childish and amusing as I do.
     

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    Or stay at home and not vote.

    I’m beginning to wonder if that’s going to be factor. Saw today that something like 56% of likely R voters are highly motivated to vote compared to 35% of the largest likely group of communist voters.

    But, you forget, that 35% will likely vote twice....
     

    gambler

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    You really don't have the first clue as to what is going on. These issues didn't happen over night. They have been festering and dug in deep for over twelve years. That deep state that has been talked about for several years, and that have been opposing Trump since he was elected. Trump was never suppose to win in the first place. Hillary was suppose to. Getting Trump out of office was always the goal. He's been privy to information that the Obama Administration never wanted to see the light of day. Hillary getting elected, would have protected those secrets. I would suspect that much of those secrets involve National Security issues, and will never be made public, and some of those secrets, are some of the deep states get out of jail free passes.

    Investigations of this magnitude take time to build a successful case and to root out the corruption and criminality. I suspect there is a whole lot more going on that is being aired every day in the evening news.

    One of the key facts that seems to escape you is this: Knowing people have done something is wrong, (and we the American people know.) is one thing. Proving it in a court of law and getting a conviction is entirely a different thing. We talk and discuss this every day. There's plenty of corruption going on.

    ANYTHING that makes the evening news, is just the very tip of the iceberg. there is plenty going on that isn't being talked about. You seem to come on here just about every day, whining and moaning, about all these things politically that gripe your butt. Declaring this and that, that should be done. We need to play their own game against them is crap and nonsense. Strikes me as juvenile and immature. What are you twelve years old, or a grown adult? You want to retaliate against the Democrats, the corrupt leadership, ANTIFA, the BLM and all others like a child would react to them. Mature adults figure out the problem, then solve those problems in legal manner. Solving those problems in the legal manner, solves them for years to come. Your ideas, would turn around and bite every American loving, law-abiding conservative in the butt in the long run and would, or will have disastrous results that our children, grandchildren and great grandchildren would be paying for. Cheating to gain something, just because the other side is doing it, is wrong. Period. Yeah, we might win a little something in the short term, but lose so much more in the long term.

    But go ahead. Keep right on ranting, and raving. I'm sure others find your posts just and childish and amusing as I do.
    I certainly wish I was as intelligent and informed about all of the inner workings of what is going on as you seem to be. But, make all the excuses you want, and that will lead us down the path to socialism and ruin this country. That seems to be OK with you.
     

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    I certainly wish I was as intelligent and informed about all of the inner workings of what is going on as you seem to be. But, make all the excuses you want, and that will lead us down the path to socialism and ruin this country. That seems to be OK with you.

    As usual, you seem to have reading comprehension issues.

    Where did I make an excuse for anything, or anyone? I didn't.

    At what point did I ever say that going to socialism was okay with me? I didn't.

    Keep right on with the childish and juvenile remarks. Like I said, they are, if nothing else, amusing to everyone!
     

    Shady

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    The goal post is shaming the democrats to the point that it has a significant and major impact on their support.

    All of the list you give is stuff that is talked about (mostly by FOX news) but nothing is done about it. Why do you think after 4 years anyone is going to really pursue the wiped emails, cell phones, Hunter Biden, etc.

    Tell me something that is being seriously pursued and can and will be charged and tried anytime in our life time ? And if we lost the presidency and the senate this time, which is a distinct possibility, this country is screwed and lost for ever.


    You could have just googled it but here let me give you a partial list if you need more please look for yourself Or where will the goal post go now




    State Senator Zeb Little (D) convicted of theft of client funds. (2019)[1]

    State Representative Oliver Robinson (D) was convicted of bribery. (2017)[4]


    State Representative Ceci Velasquez (D) was convicted of theft. (2016)[10]

    State Representative Richard Miranda (D) pleaded guilty to wire fraud and tax evasion


    State Representative Hank Wilkins (D) convicted of bribery. (2018

    State Representative Eddie Cooper (D) convicted of embezzlement.

    State Representative Steven B. Jones (D) convicted of bribery. (2015)

    State Senator Ron Calderon (D), brother of Tom, was convicted of money laundering. (2016)


    State Assemblyman Tom Calderon (D), brother of Ron, was convicted of money laundering. (2016)

    District Attorney for Contra Costa County Mark Peterson (D) convicted of perjury. (2017

    State Representative Timothy J. Leonard (R) was found guilty of Contempt of Court and sentenced to 14 days in jail. (2016)

    State Representative Victor Cuevas (D) convicted of bank fraud. (2016)

    State Senator Ernie Newton (D) was sentenced to six months in prison for three counts of illegal practices in
    campaign financing.[47] Newton had also been sentenced to four years for federal charges of accepting a $5,000 bribe,
    evading taxes and pilfering campaign contributions to pay for personal expenses. (2015

    State Representative Daisy Baez (D) convicted of perjury. (2017)

    State Representative Dwayne L. Taylor (D) convicted of fraud. (2017)

    State Representative Reggie Fullwood (D) convicted of fraud. (2016)


    Tallahassee Mayor Scott Maddox (D) convicted of corruption. (2019)

    State Representative Keith Farnham (D) convicted of distributing child pornography. (2014

    Alderman of Chicago Willie Cochran (D) convicted of fraud. (2019)

    Chief Executive Officer of Chicago Public Schools Barbara Byrd-Bennett (D) convicted of bribery. (2015

    State Representative Keith Hall (D) was convicted of bribery and sentenced to 7 years in prison. (2016

    State Senator Wesley T. Bishop (D) pleaded guilty to making false statements. (2020)


    State Representative Girod Jackson, III (D) convicted of tax evasion. (2013)

    Mayor of New Orleans Ray Nagin (D) was found guilty on 20 counts of bribery and was sentenced to ten years in federal
    prison. (2014)

    State Delegate Tawanna P. Gaines (D) pleaded guilty to misuse of campaign funds (2020)

    State Delegate Cheryl Glenn (D) convicted of fraud.

    State Senator Nathaniel T. Oaks (D) was convicted of corruption and sentenced to 3 1/2 years. (2018)

    State Delegate Michael L. Vaughn (D) was convicted of bribery. (2017)

    State Senator Bert Johnson (D) was convicted of fraud. (2018)

    State Representative Brian Banks (D) was convicted of fraud for filing false financial statements (2017)

    State Senator Kelvin Atkinson (D) convicted of fraud. (2019)

    State Assemblyman Steven Brooks (D) convicted of making threats to kill.


    State Representative Thomas Katsiantonis (D) convicted of tax evasion. (2018)

    State Senator Phil Griego (D) was convicted of corruption. (2017)

    State Senator Marc Panepinto (D) convicted of sexual harassment.(2018)

    State Assemblywoman Pamela Harris (D) pleaded guilty to two counts of wire fraud, one count of making
    false statements to the Federal Emergency Management Agency, and one count of witness tampering. Sentenced
    to $10,000 restitution,6 months in jail followed by three years of supervised release,
    400 hours of community service, and restitution of $70,400. (2018)

    State Representative Rodney W. Moore (D) plead guilty to making false statements (2019)

    State Representative Movita Johnson-Harrell (D) convicted of felony theft. (2019)

    State Representative Vanessa L. Brown (D) convicted of bribery.(2018)

    Treasurer of Pennsylvania Barbara Hafer (D) convicted of lying to the FBI. (2017)

    State Representative Marc Gergely (D) convicted of conspiracy. (2017)

    State Representative Leslie Acosta (D) convicted of embezzlement. (2016)

    Attorney General of Pennsylvania Kathleen Kane (D) was convicted of perjury. (2016)

    State Senator James Doyle II (D) from the 8th district, was being investigated for a check kiting scheme
    to defraud three local banks of more than
    $74 million. He was charged and pled guilty to 31 counts of bank fraud and tax evasion. (2018)


    State Representative John Carnevale (D) convicted of perjury. (2018)

    State Representative Raymond Gallison (D) was convicted of fraud. (2017)

    State Representative Joe E. Armstrong (D) convicted of falsifying tax returns. (2016)

    Mayor of Nashville Megan Barry (D) pleaded guilty to felony theft related to an affair she had with the police officer
    who ran her security detail. (2018

    State Representative Carlos Uresti (D) convicted of fraud and money laundering. (2017)

    State Representative Ron Reynolds (D) was convicted of battery and was sentenced to one year in jail. (2015)

    Mayor of Dallas Dwaine Caraway (D) convicted of corruption (2019)

    City Councillor of Dallas Carolyn Davis (D) was convicted of bribery. (2019)

    Auditor of Washington Troy Kelley (D) was convicted of fraud. (2018)

    Justice of the Supreme Court of Appeals of West Virginia Menis Ketchum (D) pleaded guilty to wire fraud. (2018)
     

    gambler

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    You could have just googled it but here let me give you a partial list if you need more please look for yourself Or where will the goal post go now




    State Senator Zeb Little (D) convicted of theft of client funds. (2019)[1]

    State Representative Oliver Robinson (D) was convicted of bribery. (2017)[4]


    State Representative Ceci Velasquez (D) was convicted of theft. (2016)[10]

    State Representative Richard Miranda (D) pleaded guilty to wire fraud and tax evasion


    State Representative Hank Wilkins (D) convicted of bribery. (2018

    State Representative Eddie Cooper (D) convicted of embezzlement.

    State Representative Steven B. Jones (D) convicted of bribery. (2015)

    State Senator Ron Calderon (D), brother of Tom, was convicted of money laundering. (2016)


    State Assemblyman Tom Calderon (D), brother of Ron, was convicted of money laundering. (2016)

    District Attorney for Contra Costa County Mark Peterson (D) convicted of perjury. (2017

    State Representative Timothy J. Leonard (R) was found guilty of Contempt of Court and sentenced to 14 days in jail. (2016)

    State Representative Victor Cuevas (D) convicted of bank fraud. (2016)

    State Senator Ernie Newton (D) was sentenced to six months in prison for three counts of illegal practices in
    campaign financing.[47] Newton had also been sentenced to four years for federal charges of accepting a $5,000 bribe,
    evading taxes and pilfering campaign contributions to pay for personal expenses. (2015

    State Representative Daisy Baez (D) convicted of perjury. (2017)

    State Representative Dwayne L. Taylor (D) convicted of fraud. (2017)

    State Representative Reggie Fullwood (D) convicted of fraud. (2016)


    Tallahassee Mayor Scott Maddox (D) convicted of corruption. (2019)

    State Representative Keith Farnham (D) convicted of distributing child pornography. (2014

    Alderman of Chicago Willie Cochran (D) convicted of fraud. (2019)

    Chief Executive Officer of Chicago Public Schools Barbara Byrd-Bennett (D) convicted of bribery. (2015

    State Representative Keith Hall (D) was convicted of bribery and sentenced to 7 years in prison. (2016

    State Senator Wesley T. Bishop (D) pleaded guilty to making false statements. (2020)


    State Representative Girod Jackson, III (D) convicted of tax evasion. (2013)

    Mayor of New Orleans Ray Nagin (D) was found guilty on 20 counts of bribery and was sentenced to ten years in federal
    prison. (2014)

    State Delegate Tawanna P. Gaines (D) pleaded guilty to misuse of campaign funds (2020)

    State Delegate Cheryl Glenn (D) convicted of fraud.

    State Senator Nathaniel T. Oaks (D) was convicted of corruption and sentenced to 3 1/2 years. (2018)

    State Delegate Michael L. Vaughn (D) was convicted of bribery. (2017)

    State Senator Bert Johnson (D) was convicted of fraud. (2018)

    State Representative Brian Banks (D) was convicted of fraud for filing false financial statements (2017)

    State Senator Kelvin Atkinson (D) convicted of fraud. (2019)

    State Assemblyman Steven Brooks (D) convicted of making threats to kill.


    State Representative Thomas Katsiantonis (D) convicted of tax evasion. (2018)

    State Senator Phil Griego (D) was convicted of corruption. (2017)

    State Senator Marc Panepinto (D) convicted of sexual harassment.(2018)

    State Assemblywoman Pamela Harris (D) pleaded guilty to two counts of wire fraud, one count of making
    false statements to the Federal Emergency Management Agency, and one count of witness tampering. Sentenced
    to $10,000 restitution,6 months in jail followed by three years of supervised release,
    400 hours of community service, and restitution of $70,400. (2018)

    State Representative Rodney W. Moore (D) plead guilty to making false statements (2019)

    State Representative Movita Johnson-Harrell (D) convicted of felony theft. (2019)

    State Representative Vanessa L. Brown (D) convicted of bribery.(2018)

    Treasurer of Pennsylvania Barbara Hafer (D) convicted of lying to the FBI. (2017)

    State Representative Marc Gergely (D) convicted of conspiracy. (2017)

    State Representative Leslie Acosta (D) convicted of embezzlement. (2016)

    Attorney General of Pennsylvania Kathleen Kane (D) was convicted of perjury. (2016)

    State Senator James Doyle II (D) from the 8th district, was being investigated for a check kiting scheme
    to defraud three local banks of more than
    $74 million. He was charged and pled guilty to 31 counts of bank fraud and tax evasion. (2018)


    State Representative John Carnevale (D) convicted of perjury. (2018)

    State Representative Raymond Gallison (D) was convicted of fraud. (2017)

    State Representative Joe E. Armstrong (D) convicted of falsifying tax returns. (2016)

    Mayor of Nashville Megan Barry (D) pleaded guilty to felony theft related to an affair she had with the police officer
    who ran her security detail. (2018

    State Representative Carlos Uresti (D) convicted of fraud and money laundering. (2017)

    State Representative Ron Reynolds (D) was convicted of battery and was sentenced to one year in jail. (2015)

    Mayor of Dallas Dwaine Caraway (D) convicted of corruption (2019)

    City Councillor of Dallas Carolyn Davis (D) was convicted of bribery. (2019)

    Auditor of Washington Troy Kelley (D) was convicted of fraud. (2018)

    Justice of the Supreme Court of Appeals of West Virginia Menis Ketchum (D) pleaded guilty to wire fraud. (2018)
    Well I appreciate that list, but I would guess that not one of those will have any significant impact on the current state of our country. We need some very high profile trials and convictions to get the attention of the democrats that have not gone completely communist. Trump should be ahead in the polls 65% to 35% but he's not. He's down in most of the polls I have seen, and several republican senators are in real jeopardy of losing to a democrat.
     

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    As usual, you seem to have reading comprehension issues.

    Where did I make an excuse for anything, or anyone? I didn't.

    At what point did I ever say that going to socialism was okay with me? I didn't.

    Keep right on with the childish and juvenile remarks. Like I said, they are, if nothing else, amusing to everyone!
    Yes, I find you quite amusing as well. Keep up the insults if you like but I'm done with your responses.

    Have a great day.
     

    Shady

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    Well I appreciate that list, but I would guess that not one of those will have any significant impact on the current state of our country. We need some very high profile trials and convictions to get the attention of the democrats that have not gone completely communist. Trump should be ahead in the polls 65% to 35% but he's not. He's down in most of the polls I have seen, and several republican senators are in real jeopardy of losing to a democrat.

    :)
     

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    Yes, I find you quite amusing as well. Keep up the insults if you like but I'm done with your responses.

    Have a great day.

    Gambler, they were not insults in the least. They were observations, and opinions of your posts. Nothing more. Your posts come off as being quite juvenile and childish. Others and myself, try to point out the facts to you, but you seem to be on some crusade, (whatever that may be.) and choose to dismiss these facts that are pointed out.

    So does that mean you are going to stop following me, and liking my posts from now on?

    Just asking for a friend!

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    gambler

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    Gambler, they were not insults in the least. They were observations, and opinions of your posts. Nothing more. Your posts come off as being quite juvenile and childish. Others and myself, try to point out the facts to you, but you seem to be on some crusade, (whatever that may be.) and choose to dismiss these facts that are pointed out.

    So does that mean you are going to stop following me, and liking my posts from now on?

    Just asking for a friend!

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    Yes, I'm on a crusade against the socialists.

    And why should I quit following you ? I find your posts humorous and condescending to pretty much everyone and it's funny to read them. I can't honestly remember ever liking one of them, but if you ever posted one that I liked I would "like" it.
     
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