Guilty because of your license plate?

[TexasR.N.]

Colorado man files suit, Idaho State Police accused of ?license plate profiling? - Colorado Newsday

Darian Roseen, a 70-year-old man from Pagosa Springs, has filed a federal civil rights law suit alleging that the Idaho State Police targeted him because of his Colorado license plates......

“From the facts and even the video of the dash cam of the police car, the conversation turns quickly from a lane change violation to, ‘Where is your marijuana?’” Coonts said. Since Colorado legalized recreational marijuana in January, law enforcement agencies in neighboring states haven’t been shy about warning drivers that they’re on the lookout.


According to the lawsuit, an Idaho trooper detained Roseen but “did not allow Mr. Roseen to call an attorney and continued to accuse him of having something illegal in the vehicle.”

The trooper then allegedly searched part of the vehicle at the rest stop. Though he still didn’t find anything, he reportedly kept digging.

“Another officer came and drove Mr. Roseen’s vehicle to the sheriff’s office where a more thorough search was done by the officers,” Coonts said.

None of the searches uncovered any marijuana or other illegal activity. The trooper cited Roseen for careless driving and then let him leave.

Then there is the guy from Florida driving in Maryland:
Florida Man Pulled Over and Harassed by Police in Maryland for Having a Gun Permit and No Gun
Didn't readily find it on a major news feed

 

[HKaltwasser]

I hope this Colorado man takes it to them. Guilty by association with a whole state......ridiculous.

I hope the Florida man really hands it to them. As long as they keep shaking innocent people down, the reputation will continue to get worse. I know you can't judge all by a few, but this aggressive behavior towards citizens is getting annoying.

 

[AcidFlashGordon]

I hope this Colorado man takes it to them. Guilty by association with a whole state......ridiculous.

I hope the Florida man really hands it to them. As long as they keep shaking innocent people down, the reputation will continue to get worse. I know you can't judge all by a few, but this aggressive behavior towards citizens is getting annoying.

Very true. A few officers acting like Nazi storm troopers makes it difficult on the rest of their department.

 

[franzas]

Sorry, I'll be that guy.

When it comes to drugs, especially pot, since this is the hot button of today, I think there should be very strict enforcement. Now, me living in a very strict zero [pot] tolerance state, I have always thought it was stupid for people to drive around with their NORML or 'legalize it' stickers. To me, this is just saying "please officer, search my car." Especially since a lot of these people have such a lack of respect for police, chances are they're likely to piss the officer off. (I'm speaking in generalities, I'm sure CO is different, but everyone in college that I knew that smoked hated police). So anyways, if you're such an ass that you have to broadcast your drug use with bumper stickers or vanity plates, be warned while traveling across state lines. Maybe this scenario could have played out differently, but I see no fault in the officer being suspicious of contraband in the vehicle. I think this would constitute probable cause. This is a belief I've had for a long time, long before states started decriminalizing possession or issuing "medical use" cards.

 

[Younggun]

So the first amendment negates the 4th?

 

[Younggun]

Curious, should people with pro-2A stickers or maybe one that says "no more NFA" be searched for illegal weapons?

How bout if I drive to California (for some stupid reason) should they stop and search my truck for "hi capacity magazines" and "assault rifles"?

 

[franzas]

Curious, should people with pro-2A stickers or maybe one that says "no more NFA" be searched for illegal weapons?

How bout if I drive to California (for some stupid reason) should they stop and search my truck for "hi capacity magazines" and "assault rifles"?

Ya, it'd piss me off too. Maybe it's the fact that I hold gun owners in higher esteem than pot users. We carry ourselves a lot better than the pot community does. They constantly break the law. We do not. On top of that, they are bragging about using a mind-altering substance while driving a vehicle. I just don't think it's a smart idea on their part and I don't blame the officer for being vigilant.

YG, I do understand the argument. When I see a 'Team Glock' sticker, I think "there's someone complying with the 2A." When I see a 'legalize it' sticker, I think "there's someone who habitually breaks the law." So back to the quote above. I do have pro 2A stickers on my Jeep. If I got stopped and questioned, I would have no problem explaining why I have those stickers and they can check my criminal history to confirm my story. Not perfect, but it works. I doubt someone that deals with illegal weapons would put 2A stickers on their vehicle. They might see it as an invitation for a search. Now if I was some stoned out douche clown and I had pro pot stickers on my Jeep and I got stopped, I would have a tough time explaining why they were there. And I would probably take a tone with the officer for asking. 2A is legal, therefore I can be civilized when dealing with a traffic stop, pot is not.

I don't know. I respect [legal] gun owners. I fucking hate marijuana.

 

[Younggun]

Ya, it'd piss me off too. Maybe it's the fact that I hold gun owners in higher esteem than pot users. We carry ourselves a lot better than the pot community does. They constantly break the law. We do not. On top of that, they are bragging about using a mind-altering substance while driving a vehicle. I just don't think it's a smart idea on their part and I don't blame the officer for being vigilant.

YG, I do understand the argument. When I see a 'Team Glock' sticker, I think "there's someone complying with the 2A." When I see a 'legalize it' sticker, I think "there's someone who habitually breaks the law." So back to the quote above. I do have pro 2A stickers on my Jeep. If I got stopped and questioned, I would have no problem explaining why I have those stickers and they can check my criminal history to confirm my story. Not perfect, but it works. I doubt someone that deals with illegal weapons would put 2A stickers on their vehicle. They might see it as an invitation for a search. Now if I was some stoned out douche clown and I had pro pot stickers on my Jeep and I got stopped, I would have a tough time explaining why they were there. And I would probably take a tone with the officer for asking. 2A is legal, therefore I can be civilized when dealing with a traffic stop, pot is not.

I don't know. I respect [legal] gun owners. I $#@!ing hate marijuana.

Let me give a different example.


Should someone with a Jack Daniels sticker expect to get stopped an searched for an open container, maybe get a breathalyzer?

It sounds to me like you are willing to infringe on someone's fourth amendment because you don't like how the use the first amendment.


If so, I disagree with your idea of rights and freedom.

Keep in mind, if it can happen to them, it will eventually happen to you also.

 

[IXLR8]

This is going off topic... If you choose to identify yourself or property (ie a bumper sticker, t-shirt logo), then you will always stand the chance of bringing wanted and unwanted attention to yourself. IMHO staying in stealth mode is far more beneficial. It could applied to concaled carry vs open carry, or a loud exhaust on your fast car vs quiet, or other look at me vs blend in situations.
Your license plate should not show evidence either way.

 

[franzas]

Forget I said anything. I knew I shouldn't have posted here because it would probably end up OT discussion or troll posts.

I guess what I'm trying to say is I can't articulate what my point is. Sometimes it's hard putting your thoughts into words.

YG, yes, you're right. There is overlap between the 1st and the 4th. There should be none. I'll shut up now

 

[franzas]

This is going off topic... If you choose to identify yourself or property (ie a bumper sticker, t-shirt logo), then you will always stand the chance of bringing wanted and unwanted attention to yourself. IMHO staying in stealth mode is far more beneficial. It could applied to concaled carry vs open carry, or a loud exhaust on your fast car vs quiet, or other look at me vs blend in situations.
Your license plate should not show evidence either way.

This is what I was getting at

 

[Younggun]

Forget I said anything. I knew I shouldn't have posted here because it would probably end up in a flame war.

I guess what I'm trying to say is I can't articulate what my point is. Sometimes it's hard putting your thoughts into words.

YG, yes, you're right. There is overlap between the 1st and the 4th. There should be none. I'll shut up now

I did no flaming, it was just a discussion.

 

[franzas]

I did no flaming, it was just a discussion.

Damnit man. I'm trying to agree with you.
I'm not saying you did. maybe flame war was a bad choice of words.

I meant that my comment had the potential for someone to take it too far. Someone else could have jumped in between us and started trolling or something. I didn't want that to happen. That's all

 

[Younggun]

Lmao, ok.


Dropped it.

 

[trigger643]

Having grown up in Colorado and now seeing what those left and right coaster liberal immigrants have done to my home state... Good. Don't like it, move to Texas, get a Texas License Plate. Profiling my *ss. Pot is legal in Colorado. Colorado License plate could be construed as probable cause. Just like Nevada plates could mean they're transporting hookers and illegal gaming devices. Like Texas plates could indicate the operator of that vehicle is not inclined to tolerate that crap and may only speak mexican fluently... Oh wait.

Never mind.

 

[AcidFlashGordon]

Curious, should people with pro-2A stickers or maybe one that says "no more NFA" be searched for illegal weapons?

How bout if I drive to California (for some stupid reason) should they stop and search my truck for "hi capacity magazines" and "assault rifles"?

With out-of-state plates (especially Texas) I'm sure the assholes in the Peoples' Socialist Яepublik of Kalifornia would go out of their way to **** with you.

 

[benenglish]

With out-of-state plates (especially Texas) I'm sure the assholes in the Peoples' Socialist Яepublik of Kalifornia would go out of their way to **** with you.

I've driven around California with Texas plates more than a little and never been stopped.

 

[TexasR.N.]

Originally Posted by IXLR8 Your license plate should not show evidence either way.

This is what bothers me ^. You are driving along and because you are from ABC state you can be pulled over and searched for XYZ????

Now we are guilty until proven innocent (in this case, because of the state the guy lived in)?

 

[Saltyag2010]

This is what bothers me ^. You are driving along and because you are from ABC state you can be pulled over and searched for XYZ????

Now we are guilty until proven innocent (in this case, because of the state the guy lived in)?

Yes. Totally agreed.

If we allow this it's not a stretch to see Texas license plates pulled over and searched relentlessly for guns. Freedom freedom freedom. Don't allow cops to violate our constitutional rights.

 

[MPA1988]

This is going off topic... If you choose to identify yourself or property (ie a bumper sticker, t-shirt logo), then you will always stand the chance of bringing wanted and unwanted attention to yourself. IMHO staying in stealth mode is far more beneficial. It could applied to concaled carry vs open carry, or a loud exhaust on your fast car vs quiet, or other look at me vs blend in situations.
Your license plate should not show evidence either way.

Common sense at its best. A breath of fresh air!!!