HB 635 - Krause..... Bans Enforcement of Federal a gun laws...

[Texasgrillchef]

Your optimism appears to be only exceeded by your pessimism. Ruby Riodge and Waco have nothing to do with this.

All i was pointing out with both of those is that both sides failed in their goals and tasks and many were injured and or killed. Meaning also in both instances that citizens fought back against the feds, and in both cases the Feds left with their tales between their legs. Not the "win" they were wanting and hoping for.

 

[thequintessentialman]

This thread is all over the place...

The Constitution spells out the limited powers of the Fed, all other powers are state. The Bill of Rights is a STOP sign for both State and Fed gov. with respect to individual rights.

If we held politicians accountable to their Oath of Office, not a d@m* one of them would finish their term... well maybe a couple but not many.

SCOTUS is worthless, how else could Firearms Act of 34 still be on the books, or any other gun or knife law for that matter. SCOTUS shot down the pole tax because it infringed the right to vote. 2A stipulates rather plainly it shall not be infringed but yet here we are...

IMHO

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[Texasgrillchef]

Care to tell us how many of those gun owners voted for Biden?

Just wondering, do you own a pair of feet and a spine?

I do! I also know how to use the word no, and mean it. I also know more than a few that know the word and have a pair of feet they will stand on, and spine to back themselves up with.

Well if every single gun owner voted for Trump, Trump would have been the clear winner.

So obviously not enough of them did. I dont know how many did. I couldnt hazard a guess. But it should be more then obvious that some of them did or Trump would not have lost.

While many of us gun owners will stand up and refuse. Its obvious that some gun owners will bow doen to the pressure.

Look at the number of private citizens that have bowed down to the Polymor 80 raids and let them confiscate their 80% frames and receivers.

 

[Axxe55]

Well if every single gun owner voted for Trump, Trump would have been the clear winner.

So obviously not enough of them did. I dont know how many did. I couldnt hazard a guess. But it should be more then obvious that some of them did or Trump would not have lost.

While many of us gun owners will stand up and refuse. Its obvious that some gun owners will bow doen to the pressure.

Look at the number of private citizens that have bowed down to the Polymor 80 raids and let them confiscate their 80% frames and receivers.

When you have some credible numbers on how gun owners voted, please let us know. IMO, you are making assumptions that there is no way you can prove. You also seem to be forgetting that there could have been massive voter fraud or election tampering, and if there was, it wouldn't have mattered one bit how many gun owners voted for Trump.

Again, care to show how many gun owners "bowed down" and what pressure? How many private citizens have had their 80% lowers or frames confiscated BTW? Care to cite any credible sources to back up your statements?

 

[G O B]

When you have some credible numbers on how gun owners voted, please let us know. IMO, you are making assumptions that there is no way you can prove. You also seem to be forgetting that there could have been massive voter fraud or election tampering, and if there was, it wouldn't have mattered one bit how many gun owners voted for Trump.

Again, care to show how many gun owners "bowed down" and what pressure? How many private citizens have had their 80% lowers or frames confiscated BTW? Care to cite any credible sources to back up your statements?

We do not know who voted or what they voted for. The recent abortion does not resemble an election.

 

[alwho421]

We do not know who voted or what they voted for. The recent abortion does not resemble an election.

I talked to several Biden voters and they all stated that "biden's not going to take our guns" just shows how lazy people don't do their research and just how dumb people are. We need to hang together and support each other.

 

[Texasgrillchef]

When you have some credible numbers on how gun owners voted, please let us know. IMO, you are making assumptions that there is no way you can prove. You also seem to be forgetting that there could have been massive voter fraud or election tampering, and if there was, it wouldn't have mattered one bit how many gun owners voted for Trump.

Again, care to show how many gun owners "bowed down" and what pressure? How many private citizens have had their 80% lowers or frames confiscated BTW? Care to cite any credible sources to back up your statements?

i am not commenting on election tampering or voter fraud. Maybe it’s true maybe it’s isn’t. If it is true, the. Whatever numbers anyone has won’t be accurate either.

IF It isn’t true, then it’s obvious with basic math to know that not all 50 million gun owners voted for trump. I never stated how many of those gun owners didn’t vote for trump, other then If all 50 million gun owners had voted for trump, he would have been the clear winner.

As I stated earlier I have no numbers or no clue what percentage of the 50 million gun owners didn’t vote for trump. Assuming, there was no voter fraud or election tampering.

We have many laws our government and politicians should follow and adhere too. Sadly that doesn’t mean they will.

 

[Texasjack]

Private ownership of firearms is not compatible with socialism.

If there are still some of you that think the Commiecrats won't come after your guns because they didn't get to do it under Clinton or Obama, you need to seriously reconsider. Look at what the government - particularly Commiecrat controlled states - have managed to get away with using a virus as an excuse.

They may not show up at your front door. What they have proposed is to tax firearms, magazines, and ammo. Are you prepared to pay $200 every year for each AR magazine you own? Oh, but who's going to enforce it. The IRS. ATF falls under them anyway. Refuse to pay? They'll use the same tactics they use for income taxes - freeze your accounts, garnish your wages, etc. Ask anyone who has had to go against the IRS what kind of a one-sided battle that was.

They just stole an election. What makes you think they'll obey the law?? Cuomo is rumored to be Biden's choice for Attorney General. He just signed a bill that makes it illegal to sell a "Confederate Flag" in NY. He signed it even while admitting it violates the First Amendment.

Wake up!

 

[Axxe55]

i am not commenting on election tampering or voter fraud. Maybe it’s true maybe it’s isn’t. If it is true, the. Whatever numbers anyone has won’t be accurate either.

IF It isn’t true, then it’s obvious with basic math to know that not all 50 million gun owners voted for trump. I never stated how many of those gun owners didn’t vote for trump, other then If all 50 million gun owners had voted for trump, he would have been the clear winner.

As I stated earlier I have no numbers or no clue what percentage of the 50 million gun owners didn’t vote for trump. Assuming, there was no voter fraud or election tampering.

We have many laws our government and politicians should follow and adhere too. Sadly that doesn’t mean they will.

Fact of the matter is, you don't know how anyone voted, much less 50 million gun owners. Here's a factoid for you. There are over 209 million possible voters in the United States. So even IF, all 50 million gun owners voted for Trump, that is less than 25% of the votes.

You are asserting assumptions that you have no way of validating in any way, as of they were facts.

 

[benenglish]

...who's going to enforce it. The IRS. ATF falls under them anyway.

The ATF hasn't fallen under the IRS for...what?...30 or 40 years? The last rare, miscellaneous ATF form that had to be filed with the IRS went away about 15 years ago, iirc.

Besides, the National Treasury Employees Union would have a screaming fit if the Congress tried to force IRS Revenue Officers to go out in the field and collect delinquent, ATF-levied taxes on guns/mags/stocks. The political infighting would stall the process till long after I'm dead.

No, I think that if taxes are to be used to hurt gun owners, the powers-that-be would simply make them transfer taxes, due and collected at every sale. In that case, everybody will be stuck with what we have and as we die off, so will gun ownership.

 

[Axxe55]

The BATFE became an independent and separate bureau from the IRS in 1972.

Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Actually, I thought they had separated from the IRS back in the 1950's for some reason.

 

[reveNNever]

I agree with the idea but doesn't that make us like Portland or the other west coast areas that have become sanctuary cities-states? I would rather secede personally than live under tyranny.

Not at all, sanctuary cities on the west coast are for illegal unconstitutional crap like illegal aliens. The 10th Amendment guarantees what this bill is proposing already.

 

[reveNNever]

The BATFE became an independent and separate bureau from the IRS in 1972.

Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Actually, I thought they had separated from the IRS back in the 1950's for some reason.

I checked this today they are managed by DOJ.

 

[Axxe55]

I checked this today they are managed by DOJ.

That is correct. The DOJ covers quite a few federal law enforcement agencies. When the ATF moved out from under the authority of the IRS, they became a separate agency under the umbrella of the DOJ in 1972.