HB1359, introduce today... For Texas Secession

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Hate to say this, but the bill is political grandstanding by Biederman. I suspect he wants to make a run for Governor in the near future.

The bill, even if passed, sent to the voters and got an overwhelming ‘for’ doesn’t result in secession, and to ruin everyone’s wet dream, that wouldn’t happen any ways. To paraphrase Antonin Scalia, the question of being able to leave the union was settled in 1864.

But, I’ll entertain the thought that it did happen for just a minute. So, what happens if....
1. Fed jobs, assets (to include all those tanks and jets in the Texas Guard) go back to where they came from. Military City USA, VA and all other federal facilities and jobs, Kingsville NAS, Ft Hood, Ft Bliss, all the Pantex shit on the NE corner of Amarillo evaporates, poof....gone. US Border Patrol relocates all their shit to the NM, OK, ArkLaTex borders. We’d probably get to keep those helium reserves in the panhandle, though.

2. Every FDIC-backed institution leaves the state, so kiss your bank/credit union goodbye. These people along with the peeps in 1. above, go bye-bye because there employers offer to relocate them to the US.

3. If you think guns/ammo are as rare as unicorn farts right now, imagine what it’s gonna be like when ITAR restrictions prevent 49 states in a different country from exporting shit here. I mean it’ll make Califuckistan look like a veritable rainbow colored Utopia in comparison.

5. You’d have Greg Abbot as President and Sam Houston would roll over in his grave.
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Can you do that twice?
Yes, when...
He can even merge three threads, without blinking an eye!
...there are three threads, like in this case.

Downthread, TxStetson predicts people will open more threads on this same topic. If they do, I can type "Redundant threads merged" as many times as necessary.

I do, however, need people to hit the report button when a dupe thread is started. Also, please, when you report a dupe thread include a link to the original thread.
 

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And the future Texas economy shrinks to poverty pony status when all those people and jobs go away. Trust me, I don’t like it but it is what it is.

That's a joke and you can't possibly believe that's true. Texas.. TEXAS alone is an OPEC nation last month we produced 143 million barrels of oil, we have the refineries. AT our peak we were producing 170M barrels per month. Let's forget the agriculture, in oil production alone we own the rest of the US minus Alaska (which is much more expensive as you know.)

If you set the corporate tax low enough not only will we not bleed jobs companies will be begging to be let into Texas. Houston is the 13th largest port by tonnage in the world (Don't fret most of the top ten is China, Rotterdam is 10th, not a single US port ranks above it except the South Louisiana port.

Also, there is good authority that if Texas actually DID secede several other states would join us (including louisiana) you know what a country is without Port tonnage movement capability? Dead.

 

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Set your corporate tax rate at 15% and watch the US economy bleed. Set up a new trade agreement with Mexico and we're in business. Hell we could have OPEN borders with Mexico and restrict US borders. I'm serious. Illegal immigration won't be a thing and we'll create millions of jobs in Mexico.
TEXAS alone is an OPEC nation
you know what a country is without Port tonnage movement capability?
This is geopolitical truth far beyond what most people can comprehend. When it comes to the economic side of the equation, Texas could easily stand on it's own. Hell, we've got the Permian Basin and we know how to frack. If the Saudis could become filthy rich off just one asset, our much more diversified economy could soar.

Disengaging from the federal (mostly regulatory) structure would be very difficult, though. So let's take a look at the examples cited by toddnjoyce. There are a million more problems that would have to be addressed but let's start with these.
1. Fed jobs, assets ... go back to where they came from. ... all the Pantex shit on the NE corner of Amarillo evaporates...
Texas should seize and nationalize Pantex. There's nothing that more effectively keeps the big boys from kicking over your sand castle than equipping your small military with a few really big bombs.
2. Every FDIC-backed institution leaves the state, so kiss your bank/credit union goodbye.
The FDIC backing would go away but would those banks want to abandon the Texas market? Many of them do business all over the world; Texas would be no different for them. Some would close but for most staying open in Texas would be a valid business strategy.
3. If you think guns/ammo are as rare as unicorn farts right now, imagine what it’s gonna be like when ITAR restrictions prevent 49 states in a different country from exporting ...
There are plenty of countries that would be thrilled to trade us guns and ammo for petroleum. Hell, there are some who would build us a manufacturing plant or two. I'd be happy to write an invitation to Lapua to set up production facilities on some former military base or section thereof that we could give them.
5. You’d have Greg Abbot as President and Sam Houston would roll over in his grave.
Excuse me while I go throw up. :)

Look, let me be clear.

None of this is going to happen.

We don't have a group of founding fathers ready to go with the vision and morality to make a success of it. I think everyone knows that.

But it sure is a fun thought experiment.
 

Axxe55

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This is geopolitical truth far beyond what most people can comprehend. When it comes to the economic side of the equation, Texas could easily stand on it's own. Hell, we've got the Permian Basin and we know how to frack. If the Saudis could become filthy rich off just one asset, our much more diversified economy could soar.

Disengaging from the federal (mostly regulatory) structure would be very difficult, though. So let's take a look at the examples cited by toddnjoyce. There are a million more problems that would have to be addressed but let's start with these.
Texas should seize and nationalize Pantex. There's nothing that more effectively keeps the big boys from kicking over your sand castle than equipping your small military with a few really big bombs.
The FDIC backing would go away but would those banks want to abandon the Texas market? Many of them do business all over the world; Texas would be no different for them. Some would close but for most staying open in Texas would be a valid business strategy.
There are plenty of countries that would be thrilled to trade us guns and ammo for petroleum. Hell, there are some who would build us a manufacturing plant or two. I'd be happy to write an invitation to Lapua to set up production facilities on some former military base or section thereof that we could give them.
Excuse me while I go throw up. :)

Look, let me be clear.

None of this is going to happen.

We don't have a group of founding fathers ready to go with the vision and morality to make a success of it. I think everyone knows that.

But it sure is a fun thought experiment.
I think @toddnjoyce , and @Darkpriest667, both make some excellent points and arguments as to what could happen if Texas seceded the United States.

But in reality, I think it in reality will never happen, as much as many of us would like it to. Texas has held a unique position among the other states in this country, seeking and gaining independence from another country before joining the United States proper. This makes real Texans fiercely independent and to think of themselves as Texans first, and Americans second. Many of us would welcome becoming our own sovereign nations again.

Even if it did happen, I do suspect Texas could survive and even prosper on it's own, but that it would be a difficult and long journey to get to a point of being truly independent and self sustaining.
 

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Nope.
But the wayne le pew types would sure offer to "help".
Gonna disagree. The principles the founders operated on are still with us. The writings they read are, as well. Reading, understanding, and being willing to apply those principles and take baby steps personally is first. Organizing and supporting local groups of friends who are interested is second. Not everyone of the the founders was an orator like Patrick Henry, and sometimes the orators don't become the leaders. I think the biggest thing lacking is the willingness to sacrifice one's own time, and fortune - as the founders said, “We Mutually Pledge To Each Other Our Lives, Our Fortunes, And Our Sacred Honor…” which is the biggest thing lacking in the gun circles at the moment, the willingness to sacrifice comfort, personal wealth, and potential reputation, because we are too short-sighted to believe that the end goal would be worth it.

I personally think some of the guys at TREX Arms would qualify, and think we should be looking for others who we can get behind and push forward.
 

Axxe55

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Gonna disagree. The principles the founders operated on are still with us. The writings they read are, as well. Reading, understanding, and being willing to apply those principles and take baby steps personally is first. Organizing and supporting local groups of friends who are interested is second. Not everyone of the the founders was an orator like Patrick Henry, and sometimes the orators don't become the leaders. I think the biggest thing lacking is the willingness to sacrifice one's own time, and fortune - as the founders said, “We Mutually Pledge To Each Other Our Lives, Our Fortunes, And Our Sacred Honor…” which is the biggest thing lacking in the gun circles at the moment, the willingness to sacrifice comfort, personal wealth, and potential reputation, because we are too short-sighted to believe that the end goal would be worth it.

I personally think some of the guys at TREX Arms would qualify, and think we should be looking for others who we can get behind and push forward.

Another perspective is this that should also be taken into account. There are people that could, and might be those type of people to lead this in the right direction, and be a stable leadership, but may fear being left alone when things do get a little difficult and troubling, only to find themselves holding the bag and no support.

This is exactly why I don't align myself with causes anymore, or groups that look to make radical changes. People are good at talking a big game and will appear all gung-ho and raring to go, until things get a little difficult, or it imposes upon their comfort and convenience. It's also why I have very, very few close friends, which counting them on one hand, still leaves me left over fingers. People are very bad about saying one thing, then doing something completely different. It's why I don't form close bonds with many people, and don't have a lot of faith, or trust in very many. Some might think me a cynic, and I'm comfortable with being labelled as such, but it's a matter of self-preservation and personal survival, and having learned the hard way about people, human nature and what people will do when the chips are down.
 

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