Help ID a couple of rifles.

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  1. Southpaw

    Southpaw SUPER OWNER TGT Supporter

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    These aren't mine, so I only have these pictures right now.

    We are actually looking at IDing the first two rifles on the left. But any other input on anything in the pictures will be helpful.
    The first gun that I included a second picture of has no other marking besides Chinese-like lettering and numbers.

    Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

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  2. Acera

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    The first one is a Japanese Arisaka

    What you want to look for on it is if the mum is intact. Look on the top of the forward part of the receiver and see if a flower is there undamaged. That will add to value if it's there. Very strong action, ammo not difficult to find.


    Second one looks like a DUTCH Model 71/88 Beaumont-Vitali
     
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  3. Moonpie

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    left most rifle = Jap Arisaka
    Arisaka - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    2nd from left = [SIZE=+1]M1871/88 Dutch Beaumont-Vitali
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    Beaumont Vitali


    The take-down Savage 99 looks interesting. What caliber?

    Forgot to say: Ammo is available for both of them.
    The Dutch rifle ammo will be blackpowder loaded and very very expensive. If you want to shoot it its cost effective to tool up and roll your own.
     
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  4. Southpaw

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    Thanks guys.

    I was just told that the Arisaka barrel is sealed/closed in some way, not sure why, but was it something that would have been decommissioned for some reason? Also, no mum. :(





    22HP is what is listed on the gun itself. I know, because I had to look it up myself because it was the first of hearing of this caliber. Does that make it any more or less desirable?

    Thanks again.
     
  5. Paul5388

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    Just remember the HP doesn't use a .224" bullet.
     
  6. Acera

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    Many reasons that could have been done.

    Part of a museum collection where they did not want an operable weapon displayed.
    Imported/Brought in from another country where guns are less tolerated. (Big market in UK for deactivated guns that look functional.)
    Drill rifle where the leadership did not want to place functioning weapons in the hands of some folks (kids).
    Scared owner, that did not want to deal with a real rifle, but did not want to get rid of a family trophy.
    List could go on..................

    Let me know if that person has any interest in selling that M1 carbine.
     
  7. Moonpie

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    The 22 Savage Hi-Power is actually a pretty cool round.
    Way back in the pre-WW2 years it was very popular. Sort of the whiz-bang .22 of the day.
    Somewhere, years ago, I read a story about missionary in China using it to shoot TIGERS! Y CARUMBA!
    IIRC, it uses a .228 caliber bullet. Hornady used to be the only maker. Haven't checked it in a while tho. You can make brass out of .25-35 Winchester.
    Sellor&Belliot makes loaded ammo I think.
    Interesting little round.

    When the G.I.'s came back from the World War Twice many of these guns had to be made inoperable due to regulations. Many times this was done by hammering a steel rod down the bore. I've also heard of molten lead/solder being poured down the bore.
    If you really wanted to fool with it you could probably re-barrel it. Would cost a lot tho. Go over to cruffler.com or Culvers Shooting Page Forums or http://www.milsurps.com/forumdisplay.php?f=113 to snoop around.
     
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  8. Moonpie

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    Savage 99's in 22HP are fairly common. Just about any 99 will bring 300-400. A pre-war gun a little more. Yours will depend on how loose the barrel/receiver tightness, bore condition, and general over condition. Yours looks kinda rough but it can probably be fired.

    Go over here to ask questions. Buncha Savage 99 experts hang there. Savage Collectors - 24hourcampfire
     
  9. Southpaw

    Southpaw SUPER OWNER TGT Supporter

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    WOW!! Thank you for the links. I wouldn't have known where to start.

    Acera, I left a message with my BIL to see if he was interested in selling it and if so I will PM you his contact details and you guys can work out the rest.
     
  10. Southpaw

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    Just found out....The M1 is a toy or some sort of replica. The stock is plastic and everything else is metal!!! :roflsmile:
     


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