Holster cant for draw or concealment?

[ZX9RCAM]

 

[leVieux]

With "IWB", one trades stability for cant. I prefer the stability. leVieux

 

[benenglish]

Not a chance, at least on my end. I was just "collatin' data, as they say."

A free like goes to whoever can identify the source of that dialogue, btw.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

With "IWB", one trades stability for cant. I prefer the stability. leVieux

My IWB has adjustable cant.

 

[MikePotts]

Mine is extremely stable and canted

 

[oldag]

With "IWB", one trades stability for cant. I prefer the stability. leVieux

With a good belt and a good holster, stability is not an issue at all with OWB.

 

[leVieux]

My IWB has adjustable cant.

Yes, many do. but, the greater the "cant", the less the stability.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Yes, many do. but, the greater the "cant", the less the stability.

How do you figure?
Holster is nice and tight against me.
Plenty of meat on my bones.

 

[BillRedding]

Interesting. I'd appreciate an example or two of holsters with button retention systems you think are suitable for concealed carry. I've found nothing of that sort that I like.

I OC, so I'm not able to address CC in any depth...EXCEPT to say what *I* do when I MUST CC (which is hardly ever but does happen occasionally) my OC/OWB-carried handgun: I either take the gun out and put it into a pocket (my leather "biker" vest outside pocket, and leave the empty holster in place) or, leave the gun in the OWB holster and wear something covering it, like a coat/jacket (Winter) or long shirt (Summer, but not tucked in though) so essentially I'm still "OCing" but it's just "covered up OCing" (if you will) as a temporary measure. I USED to use leather holsters only (with retention straps) for OCing, but once I discovered these button/polymer holsters, I've stuck with them. Again, since I exclusively OC, they work perfectly for me...
Consequently, I could only suggest you look at the 3 holster brands I mentioned (and perhaps some others, as I only found those 3 to my liking -- so far!): The Blackhawk Serpa, IMI Defense Roto-Rig and all/most of the Cytac holsters (all with the button retention system) MIGHT work for you in CC mode. These OWB holsters work FOR ME 99.9% of the time (carrying OC, as mentioned) and should I ever need to CC (almost never happens), I'd still be using them -- but again, with just something covering them, not anything tucked-in making it harder to get to (like a deep concealment situation, for example)...but I guess they'd still work even then for other people (my "opposites," who exclusively CC) if these OWB holsters are simply covered up (instead of using an IWB holster).
As for the "more cant = less stability" issue, that's news to me: My current gun belt (VERY stiff, and yes people SHOULD get quality gun belts for carrying!) is an "Operators" belt by 5.11 Tactical, and since my "rotary" holsters have that disk engagement system, I can't imagine them being MORE stable no matter at what angle (of 360 degrees) the gun is oriented. ;-)
-- BR
(President, Open Carry El Paso)
P.S. For some reason, I find carrying concealed (in an OWB holster, and ANY sized gun) very UNcomfortable, and as per the rule, "If a gun isn't comfortable to carry, it likely it wont be carried" -- I can't do IWB carry. So the only "CC" I find comfortable is in a pocket or something covering my OWB holster. Oops...I just remembered: I DO find ankle-carry (in an Uncle Mike's black nylon holster, with retention strap) VERY comfortable...so I guess the IWB doesn't work (for ME) because I'm too "big" around the waist. :-(
-- BR

 

[Charlie]

I also don't understand the "more cant, less stability" thing. I've got canted and non-canted holsters and both have the same stability.

 

[leVieux]

How do you figure?
Holster is nice and tight against me.
Plenty of meat on my bones.

The more vertical, the better the balance. Also, the more vertical, more of the frame & barrel is behind or below the belt, not above it. Because the whole rig is suspended by the belt with IWB, the more vertical, the more secure. Same way a gun with a longer barrel is usually more secure in an IWB, than a short one. Try it, you'all see. leVieux

 

[ZX9RCAM]

I'm not sure how you figure that a ~15 degree cant puts enough of the gun below the belt to make a difference.

 

[leVieux]

I also don't understand the "more cant, less stability" thing. I've got canted and non-canted holsters and both have the same stability.

Sure, if OWB. But, not if IWB. the more cant, the more of the arm's mass is above the belt and the less blow.

 

[Charlie]

Sure, if OWB. But, not if IWB. the more cant, the more of the arm's mass is above the belt and the less blow.

I think that would depend upon who built it and how they built the holster. Maybe I'm not seeing it but it would seem to me that either IWB holster (canted or straight) would be more secure since the belt is holding it tight against the body. Just my two bits. I've been carrying since 1996 (which by no means makes me an expert) and have had a good assortment of holsters over the years.

 

[Byrd666]

Sure, if OWB. But, not if IWB. the more cant, the more of the arm's mass is above the belt and the less blow.

Please explain.

 

[easy rider]

What is more cant? I don't think I have any holsters that cant more than 15 degrees.

 

[leVieux]

I think that would depend upon who built it and how they built the holster. Maybe I'm not seeing it but it would seem to me that either IWB holster (canted or straight) would be more secure since the belt is holding it tight against the body. Just my two bits. I've been carrying since 1996 (which by no means makes me an expert) and have had a good assortment of holsters over the years.

You are correct, they are MORE secure than OWB, in general. But, that wasn't the issue. Let' just drop this, please. leVieux

 

[Charlie]

Dropped! Enjoy the evening.

 

[etxag]

Not a chance, at least on my end. I was just "collatin' data, as they say."

A free like goes to whoever can identify the source of that dialogue, btw.

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