How about that Tavor?

[breakingcontact]

I've never shot one. Who here has shot one? What do you think of them?

Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.

 

[CrankyBuddha]

I put about a hundred rounds through one a few weeks ago (it's nice to have rich friends). Holding it it feels heavy and kind of clunky but once you shoulder it is feels really good. Swings and points easily. It is short compared to other 16" carbines. Trigger is a little heavy but I didn't have any problems with it. It feels about the same as the trigger on my Windham AR. Recoil is about the same as an AR. Ergos are fine but will take a little getting used to. Took PMAGs and GI mags just fine. The stock sights are should be considered backup sights only but they work.

I really was excited to shoot it and I did really like it but after shooting it I wasn't $2000 excited about it. For that I could pick up a pair of ARs.

-Cranky

 

[hkusp1]

I preordered one about a year before they came out then I shot one and canceled the order. Very heavy guns like 9 pounds unloaded and the trigger is horrible.


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[IXLR8]

No, it is not an AR. But it is a very nice and comfortable rifle to fire. The stock trigger is very heavy, but it has a very nice break. It is nice that there will be caliber conversion kits available, but like the ACR I am not holding my breath. The trigger drops out by pulling 2 pins and it is modular so there will likely be replacements. There is also a very simple removal of an extra spring that does reduce the trigger pull. It can be done with a pair of needlenose pliers in about 5 minutes.
So far no FTF or FTE's in 300 rounds. The accuracy is about 2 MOA on mine with surplus ammo. I never even tried the iron sights and mounted a scope before the first shot. It disassembles easily, and stays very clean compared to DI rifles. It is not for everyone, but I sure like it.
Think of it as an SBR without a tax stamp, with the velocity of a 16" barrel.

 

[Charlie]

No, it is not an AR. But it is a very nice and comfortable rifle to fire. The stock trigger is very heavy, but it has a very nice break. It is nice that there will be caliber conversion kits available, but like the ACR I am not holding my breath. The trigger drops out by pulling 2 pins and it is modular so there will likely be replacements. There is also a very simple removal of an extra spring that does reduce the trigger pull. It can be done with a pair of needlenose pliers in about 5 minutes.
So far no FTF or FTE's in 300 rounds. The accuracy is about 2 MOA on mine with surplus ammo. I never even tried the iron sights and mounted a scope before the first shot. It disassembles easily, and stays very clean compared to DI rifles. It is not for everyone, but I sure like it.

You forgot your pictures!

 

[BigBoss0311]

Very heavy feeling. Bulky as hell. The AUG is a much better bullpup in my opinion.

 

[IXLR8]

You forgot your pictures!

OK, here is a peek....
That is a factory FDE ACOG mounted.

 

[breakingcontact]

What kind of hand position can you get on the front of the gun? Is it like a cabinet length AR?

Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.

 

[IXLR8]

Actually you lay your arm along the front of the handguard and hold the front grip. It gives a very solid shooting rest. It is possible to rest your elbow on your stomach to hold on target for extended periods.
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[T-FAST]

If I had the funds to just buy one, I would. Currently though, I see no real added benefits over the AR platform, aside from the compactness of course.

 

[Texas42]

I've been looking at the bull-pups. Really looking at this or the AUG.

 

[IXLR8]

Overall length
Tavor 16" barrel - 26.5"
POF P416 10" barrel - 27.75" to 31" (adjustable stock)
M4 Carbine 14.5" barrel - 29.7" to 33" (adjustable stock)
Steyr AUG 16" barrel - 27.2"
HK MP5 8.8" barrel - 27.1" (with fixed stock)

Not having to wait 35 weeks for an SBR tax stamp - priceless...

 

[breakingcontact]

Thanks for the measurements.

Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.

 

[rt-texas]

I've had a black 16" for about 2 months. Absolutely love it and would do it again in a heart beat.

Trigger doesn't bother me. I removed the spring and did a little polishing and it's fine. Very clean and crisp break. Overall weight maybe is a little heavier than most AR's but it fits into the body so well for me.

I rented one in Dallas to try before I purchased...didn't just blindly order. It was actually the first bullpup I ever shot. I can't compare to the Aug, have never handled one.

Can I justify the $2000 price tag for a toy, probably not. So I sold my Windham to my accountant for $700, so I only had to justify $1300 to my wife.

If you get the opportunity, try one. I'm happy I did.

 

[TexMex247]

I went with a US made sabre defense AUG a while back and have no regrets. The Tavor has some cool factor but the AUG is IMO the original bull pup and a proven design. Although they do the nato version that accepts AR mags, I opted for the original style. I have no problem with 42 and 30 rd. waffle magazines that I will probably never wear out. Overall, the AUG feels rock solid and shoots as well as any AR in a smaller package.

In production since 1978 and arguably the best bull pup chambered in 5.56 ever made.

 

[craigntx]

Very heavy feeling. Bulky as hell. The AUG is a much better bullpup in my opinion.

yeah I want an aug

 

[General Zod]

Is anyone else bothered by the Tavor's use of what I'd call a knuckle guard instead of a trigger guard? Bugs the hell out of me every time I see a pic of this otherwise interesting and advanced-looking rifle. Seems like it's just begging for a negligent discharge...

 

[ZX9RCAM]

I've had a black 16" for about 2 months. Absolutely love it and would do it again in a heart beat.

Trigger doesn't bother me. I removed the spring and did a little polishing and it's fine. Very clean and crisp break. Overall weight maybe is a little heavier than most AR's but it fits into the body so well for me.

I rented one in Dallas to try before I purchased...didn't just blindly order. It was actually the first bullpup I ever shot. I can't compare to the Aug, have never handled one.

Can I justify the $2000 price tag for a toy, probably not. So I sold my Windham to my accountant for $700, so I only had to justify $1300 to my wife.

If you get the opportunity, try one. I'm happy I did.

You go dude!!

 

[Charlie]

Is anyone else bothered by the Tavor's use of what I'd call a knuckle guard instead of a trigger guard? Bugs the hell out of me every time I see a pic of this otherwise interesting and advanced-looking rifle. Seems like it's just begging for a negligent discharge...

How so? Not to be argumentative but I don't understand why that would be significantly different than most other rifles/carbines?

 

[General Zod]

How so? Not to be argumentative but I don't understand why that would be significantly different than most other rifles/carbines?

Because of the big, open space around the trigger. Sure it's inside that knuckle guard, but that's hardly going to keep the trigger from snagging on anything. With any other rifle, you'd never see something just slip inside the trigger guard and wrap around the trigger. Now look at the Tavor. It's one step shy of having the trigger hanging out with no guard at all.