How do you REALLY feel about metal guns?

[BMF500]

Just FYI, Brownings ultimate design before gov't intrusion was a 9mm pistol without a grip safety

I believe you are referencing the FN1903. True enough, yet the Granddaddy of them all is the FN1900 .32ACP. All precursors to the 1911. THE semi-automatic pistol design by which ALL others are measured.

 

[zackmars]

I believe you are referencing the FN1903. True enough, yet the Granddaddy of them all is the FN1900 .32ACP.

No, the genesis of the 1911 lies in the 1905, which was chambered in the .38acp cartridge before colt got tipped off that the military was only interested in .45acp. This resulted in the colt 1908, iirc


The grip safety was a requirement of the cavalry, who, as shown by WW1, were harbingers of a new age of military technology and tactics /s.

 

[zackmars]

OK?

Just pointing out that lord and savior JMB was a fan of 9mm and didn't like stupid safeties

 

[BMF500]

No, the genesis of the 1911 lies in the 1905, which was chambered in the .38acp cartridge before colt got tipped off that the military was only interested in .45acp. This resulted in the colt 1908, iirc


The grip safety was a requirement of the cavalry, who, as shown by WW1, were harbingers of a new age of military technology and tactics /s.

I won't disagree with that, yet was referring to what you had said about the FN1903. There is quite a list of his designs that lead to the 1911, 1899/1900 was the start of the evolution.

 

[zackmars]

I won't disagree with that, yet was referring to what you had said about the FN1903. There quite a list of his designs that lead to the 1911, 1899/1900 was the start of the evolution.

Iirc the 1903 came up in this thread a while back, and I'm too lazy to track down what i said about it.

In any case, while elements of the 1903 certainly made their way in, the 1905 is really the start of the 1911, primarily the tilting barrel system

 

[digger]

Well, That's because there is nothing negative about them!

Irregardless of the forerunners in the mfg chain....Charlie said it all!!!!!
(Interesting background info tho)

 

[digger]

The older the person the more you will see fudd answers to this.

Damn

 

[BMF500]

Iirc the 1903 came up in this thread a while back, and I'm too lazy to track down what i said about it.

In any case, while elements of the 1903 certainly made their way in, the 1905 is really the start of the 1911, primarily the tilting barrel system

Yes...that is what we call design evolution...

***edit: Wait, are you talking 1905 pocket .25acp or 1910 .380/.32acp?***

 

[TexasRedneck]

The older the person the more you will see fudd answers to this.

Fudd this........

 

[zackmars]

Yes...that is what we call design evolution...

***edit: Wait, are you talking 1905 pocket .25acp or 1910 .380/.32acp?***

The colt 1905, in .38 acp, you know, the first design in a series of pistols that resulted in the 1911?

 

[BMF500]

The colt 1905, in .38 acp, you know, the first design in a series of pistols that resulted in the 1911?
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No sir, the Colt M1900 was chambered in .38, the 1905 variant was chambered in .45. .25 eas in the family too.

 

[zackmars]

Dupe

 

[zackmars]

No sir, the Colt M1900 was chambered in .38, the 1905 variant was chambered in .45. .25 eas in the family too.

Yep, got me there. Only off by 5 years, lol.

Nevertheless, the small frame handguns only shared a few similarities to what would become the 1911, otherwise the 1900 in .38 was a clean sheet design. The various pocket pistols really don't apply to this conversation, unless I'm missing something.

After all, the AR10/15 isn't an evolution of the 1941 Johnson despite using the same style of bolt, and having some of the same names behind it

 

[BMF500]

Yep, got me there. Only off by 5 years, lol.

Nevertheless, the small frame handguns only shared a few similarities to what would become the 1911, otherwise the 1900 in .38 was a clean sheet design. The various pocket pistols really don't apply to this conversation, unless I'm missing something.

After all, the AR10/15 isn't an evolution of the 1941 Johnson despite using the same style of bolt, and having some of the same names behind it

No not really. As I recall (I'm not at home to check my book) these all (.25, .32, .38. 45) fall under the Colt 1900 model designation, the only differences being caliber and size. Much like the galaxy of different barrel length, frame sizes and calibers of 1911's available to today. Same design just scaled up and down.

 

[zackmars]

No not really. As I recall (I'm not at home to check my book) these all (.25, .32, .38. 45) fall under the Colt 1900 model designation, the only differences being caliber and size. Much like the galaxy of different barrel length, frame sizes and calibers of 1911's available to today. Same design just scaled up and down.

We're not quite on the same page here...


Model designations from colt really doesn't mean much, that's just the year they were introduced.

And iirc the colt pocket pistols were blowbacks, with the *1900* in .38 introducing the tilting barrel, which is a pretty big change.

But we're getting off topic. It's pretty clear JMB liked 9mm

 

[BMF500]

We're not quite on the same page here...

But we're getting off topic. It's pretty clear JMB liked 9mm

Apparently so, this aint a 9mil thread. Deuces!

 

[Army 1911]

Clearly you've never seen a thread that dared to say anything negative about the 1911 and the .45acp...

Would you bet your house on that?

 

[Army 1911]

Just FYI, Brownings ultimate design before gov't intrusion was a 9mm pistol without a grip safety

According to who?

 

[zackmars]

According to who?

According to history.

 

[zackmars]

Would you bet your house on that?

Sure. True, dyed in the wool 1911 fanboys are insufferable, to the point they go out of their way to ignore the history of their favorite pistol because "muh stopin powa" and TWO WORLD WARS!"