How to mess with attacker's night vision?

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Lots of people are buying NV these days, some of it may not be worth a shit, and some of the people who have it may not really know how to use it. In a SHTF scenario, chances are it would be one of those classes that would want what I have. Or, it could be someone Krieger class...

Reality says I probably bite the dust either way, or maybe I get lucky... What can I do to improve my luck?
Personal opinion, you need to find people with whom to hang together with rather than individually... I for one, looking at the OP, would NOT presume all NV navigators on a relative's property at night are there to harm me. If SHTF stuff happens, there may be smart people trying to reposition or emplace themselves strategically and they may need to cross other people's property lines in order to do so. I'd probably want to be somewhat cautious about who I trusted, but I wouldn't be wanting to go out of my way to gather their attention, either, which excessive countermeasures might trigger.
 

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I don't have 3, 5 or 10k dollars to buy thermal. Thermal is out of reach for many people, I would think...

As a thermal owner, what measures do you think could be used by your victim to reduce it's effectiveness before you spot him? You are on ground and around structures unfamilar to you, he is not.
Dense non-thermal stuff, that also makes it easier for them to get a lot closer to you undetected by other means. See if you can find someone who uses thermal for roof inspections or such and see if you can get them to come play with their equipment on your place...
 

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I asked this question in one of Krieger's deleted threads. It may not be of interest to many, but I rate NV as a serious threat to my position in a WROL or SHTF situation. Anybody using NV to navigate my property is an enemy.

I'm rural, isolated, and alone. My best defense is that few know my situation, but a lot of that could be overcome by using Maps and GPS. My house and property is largely indefensible. My best bet under any attack would be to use my better knowledge of my situation to counter attack. One of my chief concerns is that any attack might come at night with the attackers fully equipped with NV.

I've looked into night vision quite a bit, but am certainly no expert, since I have no experience. I find all NV that seems really useful to be well beyond my means, therefore, my focus shifts to how to decrease the effectiveness of my attackers night vision.

I wonder if flooding the area around my house with IR is a any defense?

I already have four security cameras, and a number of motion activated driveway alarms to notify me of intrusion; the security cameras emit IR at night...

I'm thinking other IR emitters, some remote controlled, and trail cams in the same positions as my driveway alarms might serve to confuse attackers, giving me that extra second.

Anybody have any thoughts other than that I am paranoid?
I would be more worried about the average deer hunter laying out a few hundred meters and gut shooting me during the day while I feed. Night time they have to come to me where NV is not going to be an asset.
 

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Has anyone mentioned strobe lights (HID/LED)? Does "deer in the headlights" tell you anything. Better than just high lumin single use do a auto on/off switch in the incoming direction. What could be a defense is an auto darkening welders helmet with a lighter shade than 13. Maybe an 8?
 

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I'm not a commando, nor have I ever played one on TV.

I do see where gII is coming from though - there are a lot more average joe dirts out there with budget NV, budget thermal, and high intensity IR / visibile light illuminators thanks to the flood of Chinesium. While its a remote possibility, there is still a potential that, during a zombie-level apocalypse where the thugs have become marauders, he could find himself the target of some NV / thermal equipped zombies.

Maybe a mix of IR strobes, IR flood, and the brightest white lights you can get, positioned in strategic areas to flood your potential fields of fire, as well as allow you to ID threats at a distance would be good.

Its easy to assume that NV equipped hostiles will be government lackies coming in with Bear Cats and Blackhawks to round up those who dare own a gun or not tow the approved gubmint line - but again, NV / Thermal has come down to aprice point that there are a lot of regular folk with it now too.

Wireless cameras with NV mode (backed up with powerful IR illuminators so they can do their best job) and battery-backups at the likely ingress points would be good. If possible, have them set to motion trigger, and trigger an alert to your phone or something.

Not sure how much it would reduce the throw - but you could probably put 1/2 inch plexiglas or Lexan over the IR emitters so they can't be shot out with a .22 as well. Make 'em use something louder that you'd hear, or at least get close enough to trigger the alert so they can shoot the unprotected casing or something.

Going down the MAD MAX rabbit hole - if someone were so inclined, they could probably also leave some tannerite filled containers near likely ingress points as...attention getters... for potential zombies. How / where you crafted and located such sculptures is up to your imagination. Just remember the boom is 360 degrees, so you don't want them too close to yourself/your position. Ever see the meme about the tannerite filled stuffed dog as a "doggos revenge" for the ATF? :laughing:

Honestly though - I think your rural, isolated nature works as much in your favor as it does against you. The zombies will likely take a while to get to you. They'll target your neighbors first, unless your neighbors *are* the zombies.

Making friends with the neighbors and having a loose network for information sharing and security would be a huge benefit. Lone wolves rarely survive, packs tend to thrive. If you're really worried about a pack of zombies, you need a pack of zombie hunters of your own.
 
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I would be more worried about the average deer hunter laying out a few hundred meters and gut shooting me during the day while I feed. Night time they have to come to me where NV is not going to be an asset.
Gut shooting folks takes them out of the fight short term, stinks, is messy, and painful, but leaves them conscious for while... all good things for the shooter and bad for the target or his buddies.

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