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  • Mike_from_Texas

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    There's some hilarious stories in here.

    62 grain 223 didn't penetrate the skull at PBR.

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    OP the only Bullet I've shot hogs with from a 223/5.56 and had reliable pass through shots is the Barnes TSX, even going all the way down to 55 grains.

    You mentioned the 110 grain Barnes in 300 Blackout not doing well for you. Are you using the blue tippped TSX or the Blackout specific TAC TX black tip? The reason I as is all I shoot in my 8" 300 Blackout is the 110 grain TAC TX and I've killed truckloads of different animals with it. And they are plenty accurate. This is shooting prone at 300 yards.

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    Disregard the high shot, shooter dialed in too much elevation.

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    I've found the Speer Gold Dot 75 grain rounds to be weak only registering in the 2500'ish fps range whereas most 5.56 77 grain rounds run in the 2700'ish fps range.

    I swear to read some stories you'd think pigs are this mythical beast that nearly requires a howitzer to take them down. Put a well constructed Bullet through the heart/lungs or head and they are going to die.


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    APynckel

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    I'm all about eating wild pigs, so don't think I'm just executing. Head / neck shots are the preferred means.

    As to the above question about my 110 gr barnes, no I'm using the black tip, but they're not the most precise load I've shot. They wind up putting about a 4-5" group on paper at 100 yards through my 8.5" CMMG WASP barrel. Maybe they're being over spun and I need to pick up a ruger ranch bolt action for them
     

    robertc1024

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    Isn't it odd that Hornady removed their amax bullets from the hunting category a few years ago? I've heard lots of people say that same thing. I guess we don't have to worry about it anymore since they are discontinued.
     

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    Yep, the amax was replaced by the ELD. Something about the amax 's tip deforming in flight. Never noticed it nor have I spoken to anyone that has. The ELD's are a bit more expensive than the old Amax. Glad I got good supply of the 224's, 6mm's,6.5's and the 30 ' s before the ELD transition.
     

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    You might take a look at the Amax ' s description. The polymer point both increases ballistic coefficient (long range performance) and intiates expansion (great for killing critters). The ELD does the same without tip deformation. Both will drop any game you shoot at (accuratetly---beyond 100 yds).
     

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    Not much of a keyboard commando, but if you will look up Ballisticstudies.com/hornady amax. There is an in depth study of the terminal effects of the amax on living tissue. Even has pictures! Not only for punching paper.
     

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    Not much of a keyboard commando, but if you will look up Ballisticstudies.com/hornady amax. There is an in depth study of the terminal effects of the amax on living tissue. Even has pictures! Not only for punching paper.
    What I saw on there showed the bullet fragmenting. The core and jacket separated.

    That is not what you want a hunting bullet to do.

    Definitely only for paper punching.

    Will the wrong bullet kill? Of course it will.

    Will a match bullet expand reliably? Nope, just like the article shows.

    Use a hunting bullet for hunting.
     

    CaptScooby

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    Honestly, a dead hog is the best hog. I've shot everything from 55, 62, and everything up. Shot placement, yes... Shoulder or neck would be best

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    What I saw on there showed the bullet fragmenting. The core and jacket separated.

    That is not what you want a hunting bullet to do.

    Definitely only for paper punching.

    Will the wrong bullet kill? Of course it will.

    Will a match bullet expand reliably? Nope, just like the article shows.

    Use a hunting bullet for hunting.
    For several years the amax was listed as a acceptable use bullet for medium game. I have at least 1 or 2 reloading manuals that show it. Asking Hornady direct gets you all kinds of answers even a few saying they never recommended them despite screenshots of the webpage and pics of their own printed books. I've used them for many years and found them to perform the same as any other cup and core bullet. Ran at moderate speeds I've gotten full pass thrus from 20yd to 540yd impacts.
     

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    Trying to figure out what a hunting bullet is "supposed to do"? Bullet fragmentation, cup and core separation? The Berger hunting bullets are designed to deliver up to 90% energy internally. The Amax- in my real world experience does much the same. Lungs to foam and the heart in pieces no larger than a dime. Just saying it works - really well.
     

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    Retain its mass (so the projectile will be able to translate more energy and penetrate deeper), produce cavitation (for faster bleedout), and expand (for more permanent would cavity).

    A hunting bullet is supposed to stay intact and expand so that the energy from the shot can be transferred into the terminal target.
     

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    If y'all really want to see some terminal ballistic results of different bullets, go look up some of the youtube videos of doublenaughtspy (a member on here.) He has done a lot of necroscopy on hogs with different bullets out of a 6.5 Grendel.
     

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    OK,OK,Ok. Try them,don't try them. They are usually done destroying the internals before they reach the opposite side of the chest cavity. They work. And they work efficiently. Never had to follow a blood trail on anything I have shot with them. Again real world experience.
     

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    Please provide said screenshots?
    Here's pics of the manuals. I only have pics of 6.5 and 7mm saved as they were saved from a previous discusion but medium game is clearly marked. The manual after only lists target not even varmint acceptable.
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    Ive killed hogs with 223, 300blk, 450 bushy, and 458 socom. All with different results. None lived or ran farther then 30yds. For 223 i like a bonded bullet. 60gr or better unless its a copper then you can get away with 55gr. Ive shot a massive SC boar with 125gr Nosler 300blk that ran 20 feet and died, vs a smaller TX 200lbs boar that ran 20yd+ with a 450 bushy. I have had one drop dead in all of the pigs. With the mentioned 300blk.
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