I got to shoot 8 milsurp pistols today.

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  • Mikeinhistory

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    Hey, guys. This is maybe a little off topic, but I got a chance to shoot a bunch of milsurp pistols today, a Nagant M1895, an Astra Model 1921, a Steyr Model 1912, a No2Mk1**, a Colt Police Positive Special, a Colt Army Special, a Zastava M57, and a Smith & Wesson Model 1937. I had a good time and thought you guys might enjoy this little video I made of the day. Hope you all have a good weekend.
     

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    So, I have two questions.

    First, which one was your personal favorite?

    Second, did you try the DA trigger on the M1895, or did you treat it like a single-action gun? Not even kidding, both of mine have 25+ pound DA pulls, but single-action is still a (comparatively) light 6-9.
     

    Mikeinhistory

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    So, I have two questions.

    First, which one was your personal favorite?

    Second, did you try the DA trigger on the M1895, or did you treat it like a single-action gun? Not even kidding, both of mine have 25+ pound DA pulls, but single-action is still a (comparatively) light 6-9.

    My personal favorite is and always will be the No2Mk1 top break revolver series. Although, I do like the Webley Mark IV as well but they are basically the same thing. I don't get to shoot them too often because the ammo is hard to find.
    For shooting purposes I think it would be between the Colt Army Special and the S&W Model 1937. The Colt is in .38 special and the S&W is in .45 so I am a better shot with the Colt, but the .45 has a real fun kick. The only drawback is the S&W grips are original, but they are terrible. They are small and smooth wood. It's like holding onto a sweaty pencil that is trying to jump out of your hands.

    I'll agree with you on the M1895. We did shoot it both ways, but I don't think I even hit the target in DA. Yes, the pull was pretty heavy, and actually even compared to everything else it seemed almost unnecessarily heavy. The Astra M1921 had the best trigger I have yet used, even on a modern weapon. It is in 9mm Largo, but kicks like it is a much larger round because of the odd angle of the grips and because it is very light. The M1895 actually is supposedly a Vietnam bring back. It is pretty rough and it has no import marks and I did buy it from a Vietnam vet I know, but he doesn't always remember things exactly. He claims, well actually I guess he remembers carrying a "tanker" Garand at some point in Vietnam, which I am pretty certain cannot be true. So maybe he did bring back a Nagant revolver and maybe this one was it, but I do not know if I will ever know for sure.
     

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    My personal favorite is and always will be the No2Mk1 top break revolver series. Although, I do like the Webley Mark IV as well but they are basically the same thing. I don't get to shoot them too often because the ammo is hard to find.
    For shooting purposes I think it would be between the Colt Army Special and the S&W Model 1937. The Colt is in .38 special and the S&W is in .45 so I am a better shot with the Colt, but the .45 has a real fun kick. The only drawback is the S&W grips are original, but they are terrible. They are small and smooth wood. It's like holding onto a sweaty pencil that is trying to jump out of your hands.

    I'll agree with you on the M1895. We did shoot it both ways, but I don't think I even hit the target in DA. Yes, the pull was pretty heavy, and actually even compared to everything else it seemed almost unnecessarily heavy. The Astra M1921 had the best trigger I have yet used, even on a modern weapon. It is in 9mm Largo, but kicks like it is a much larger round because of the odd angle of the grips and because it is very light. The M1895 actually is supposedly a Vietnam bring back. It is pretty rough and it has no import marks and I did buy it from a Vietnam vet I know, but he doesn't always remember things exactly. He claims, well actually I guess he remembers carrying a "tanker" Garand at some point in Vietnam, which I am pretty certain cannot be true. So maybe he did bring back a Nagant revolver and maybe this one was it, but I do not know if I will ever know for sure.

    Re: Favorite - I gotta agree, there's something about the kick of a .45 that never fails to make me grin, even shooting with my gimpy right wrist. That S&W looked like a beauty - though I have to agree on the grips. Smooth is -never- a good idea on a handgun, IMHO.

    Re: Nagant - Amen on the trigger! Not gonna lie, I can't even reliably fire mine in DA because I just don't have the strength to muscle through that stack-happy pull. If you ever want to see what gives it that rough DA pull, pop off the left-hand frame plate and cock the hammer nice and slow while you watch everything move. It's surprising just how many moving parts there are, and how some of them interact.

    Honestly, if it doesn't have import marks, then odds are it's a bring-back from somewhere. Might not be from Vietnam (according to Wikipedia at least, the vast majority of M1895s the VC used were suppressed, for use as assassination tools), but it's almost certainly seen some service. What would be really cool is if it were possible to trace the serial number, find out when exactly it was made (after all, the Tula plant shut down in December of '41 - which makes my '43 Tula rather rare, apparently) and if it was ever issued as part of a soldier/conscript's loadout.
     

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    Re: Favorite - I gotta agree, there's something about the kick of a .45 that never fails to make me grin, even shooting with my gimpy right wrist. That S&W looked like a beauty - though I have to agree on the grips. Smooth is -never- a good idea on a handgun, IMHO.

    Re: Nagant - Amen on the trigger! Not gonna lie, I can't even reliably fire mine in DA because I just don't have the strength to muscle through that stack-happy pull. If you ever want to see what gives it that rough DA pull, pop off the left-hand frame plate and cock the hammer nice and slow while you watch everything move. It's surprising just how many moving parts there are, and how some of them interact.

    Honestly, if it doesn't have import marks, then odds are it's a bring-back from somewhere. Might not be from Vietnam (according to Wikipedia at least, the vast majority of M1895s the VC used were suppressed, for use as assassination tools), but it's almost certainly seen some service. What would be really cool is if it were possible to trace the serial number, find out when exactly it was made (after all, the Tula plant shut down in December of '41 - which makes my '43 Tula rather rare, apparently) and if it was ever issued as part of a soldier/conscript's loadout.

    She is a beauty for sure.

    Yeah, the Nagant is like the one over-designed Russian weapon ever. Everything else is a big hunk of metal they milled out. The Nagant is like a Swiss watch in comparison.
     

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    She is a beauty for sure.

    Yeah, the Nagant is like the one over-designed Russian weapon ever. Everything else is a big hunk of metal they milled out. The Nagant is like a Swiss watch in comparison.
    Huh?
     
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