I Paid My Annual Rent (AKA Property Tax)

[Younggun]

I was talking about the odometer miles scenario. It’s not fair to compute road usage tax by odometer miles because not all those miles might be on public roads and there is no way to prove how many miles I drove on the beach or whatever.

Like the gov cares. Drive 1,000 miles on your own property and they just get free money.

No different than many cities charging sewage rates based on water usage despite having no way to calculate how many gallons you used watering your yard.


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[avvidclif]

It comes from here: http://urbanfortcollins.com/greatest-demand-on-tax-dollars/

“The American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials (AASHTO) sets a 18,000 pound big-rig as the median vehicle size, and therefore it’s the scale against which all other vehicles are judged. (The largest vehicle allowed on the road has a maximum weight allowance of 80,000 lbs!) I picked a few random vehicles that we might see on our local roads and I’ve used the Fourth Power Law to determine how they stack up in terms of damage caused to roads.”

Such is the reason for the weight and terms used it seems.

I doubt if you point at a bobtail freightliner and as someone if it’s a “big rig” they’ll say no. And given that the weight is accurate for a bobtail rig and the numbers were sourced from an organization tasked with determining wear and tear on highway infrastructure in order to help determine the types of materials that should be used based on expected traffic (as best I can tell after briefly checking out their website) I will assume the numbers are at least within ballpark accuracy.

The link in the article returns a 404 error though and I didn’t bother searching to find the actual source of their numbers. So not going to say it’s impossible that they’ve been fudged in some way or cherry picked from a particular surface type.


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The largest weight allowed on the road is 80,000 lbs should read the largest non-permitted load on the road is 80,000 lbs.

Merriam Webster.

rig noun

Definition of rig (Entry 2 of 3)
1 : the distinctive shape, number, and arrangement of sails and masts of a ship
2 : equipage especially : a carriage with its horse
3 : clothing, dress
4 : tackle, equipment, or machinery fitted for a specified purpose an oil-drilling rig
5 : a tractor-trailer combination


Note #5

 

[Younggun]

The largest weight allowed on the road is 80,000 lbs should read the largest non-permitted load on the road is 80,000 lbs.

I doubt their was any reason to get that specific for the purpose of the article.




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[pronstar]

The first line on your chart casts doubt on the whole chart as it is totally incorrect. A Big Rig grossing 9 tons. ROTFLMAO. My PU and RV grosses 23k. The Peterbilt I had in the past by itself weighed 19k. Those "facts" cast doubt on the entirety if the chart.

Heavier vehicles are even more damaging.

But do your own research and don’t believe anything you read on the interweb


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[pronstar]

The link in the article returns a 404 error though and I didn’t bother searching to find the actual source of their numbers. So not going to say it’s impossible that they’ve been fudged in some way or cherry picked from a particular surface type.


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Weird, works from my iPad.

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[SA_Steve]

What do the big developers do after acquiring a nice piece of property in San Antonio while waiting to flip or develop it ? State law allows them (with a bit of legal paperwork) to declare it a bird sanctuary. Promise to feed the birds on it every week or two...

Birdseed is not cheap, but less than 1% what the taxes would be.

 

[Younggun]

Weird, works from my iPad.

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The link to AASHTO? On my IPhone it wouldn’t work.


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[TX OMFS]

if you buy or sell a vehicle within any given year, then the miles aren’t going to compute correctly per person when it matches up at inspection time.

That can be corrected at the sale just like property tax on a house.

 

[TX OMFS]

What do the big developers do after acquiring a nice piece of property in San Antonio while waiting to flip or develop it ? State law allows them (with a bit of legal paperwork) to declare it a bird sanctuary. Promise to feed the birds on it every week or two...

Birdseed is not cheap, but less than 1% what the taxes would be.

And right here is the problem with taxes. They are never level & equally assessed.

 

[Bozz10mm]

Also, what about if I want to go off roading in my truck? Or go mudding on private property? That’s gonna rack up miles that are not being used on any roads.

A few years back I read where a state, maybe Washington or Oregon, had come up with a road use tax plan based on miles driven. Their plan was install GPS on every vehicle and track them that way. I suppose the software could be programmed to exclude off road use.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Software could also be programmed to send out speeding tickets as well....

 

[TheMailMan]

A few years back I read where a state, maybe Washington or Oregon, had come up with a road use tax plan based on miles driven. Their plan was install GPS on every vehicle and track them that way. I suppose the software could be programmed to exclude off road use.

It was Oregon. The plan was scrapped.

 

[Fishkiller]

A few years back I read where a state, maybe Washington or Oregon, had come up with a road use tax plan based on miles driven. Their plan was install GPS on every vehicle and track them that way. I suppose the software could be programmed to exclude off road use.

it was Commiefornia

 

[TheDan]

1970 Ladas converted to electric

Get out of my head!

 

[F350-6]

Software could also be programmed to send out speeding tickets as well....

Software could also be programmed aftermarket to trick big brother I imagine. That or a bunch of tin foil wrapped faraday cage vehicles would be driving around. (or just wrap the part that contains the gps and antenna)

 

[Brains]

Software could also be programmed aftermarket to trick big brother I imagine. That or a bunch of tin foil wrapped faraday cage vehicles would be driving around. (or just wrap the part that contains the gps and antenna)

In today's vehicles, it's mostly enough to simply unplug the cellular antenna. The unit might set a code, but that code doesn't trip the check engine light. There's still a small possibility of communication if you're really close to a cell tower, so if you want 100% certainty you'd need to open up the module and do some very minor surgery. In many cars (I'm mostly familiar with GM and getting up to speed on FCA) you can remove the entire module and at most need to jumper two wires in the plug to drive the car. The cellular stuff really isn't that tightly integrated, it's more bolted onto the side.

In the future, they will likely integrate a bit more, but the beauty is cars are still going to be pretty simple - at least until some point it's mandated that cars are to be self-driving and humans can't take the controls any more.

 

[TheDan]

...until some point it's mandated that cars are to be self-driving and humans can't take the controls any more.

They better have disarmed everyone before they attempt that.

 

[avvidclif]

They better have disarmed everyone before they attempt that.

They're working on it.

 

[Chirpy]

Just did my civic duty, funding government for another year. Huzzah.

 

[Brains]

They better have disarmed everyone before they attempt that.

Our generation won't stand for it. The next?

Teach your children well, folks.