I see why Hollywood is afraid of firearms - Alec Baldwin kills set employee

[Renegade]

The more I think about it, the more I realize the line between civil and criminal liability is a little too blurry in a case like this.

Not for me. It is B&W.

They violated every known safety rule. That is beyond gross negligence to the point of complete recklessness.

 

[or.slacker]

So it appears Reed loaded it with dummy rounds, so that during close-up the cylinders would appear full. These dummy rounds had no primers, and holes drilled through the case to show make Id even easier.

Yet after incident, they found an empty case, undrilled, with primer.

But it alludes the time gap between when Reed loaded it and Hall grabbed it, was hours, spanning lunch. Thus implying someone might have taken it out for a live shoot during lunch.

This also implies for Baldwin to "check" gun, he would have to have removed every round, check them and re-insert them, or at least spin cylinder to see no primers on all rounds.

'Rust' assistant director David Halls said he 'should have' checked gun more thoroughly before giving it to Alec Baldwin 'but didn't': warrant

Statements given by "Rust" armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed and assistant director David Halls have been released in a new warrant from the Santa Fe County Sheriff's Department.

www.yahoo.com

He could have looked the the primers, or just pull the trigger with the gun pointed down and run thru the cylinders.
Many times I have use my real guns in the house with a laser cartridge to do some practice, it can be really fun going against my kids. We basically play a game with the rules of darts. Done it a few years now. But I still send the first trigger pull in to the ground when loading the laser cartridge. Even my kids know to check the first trigger pull.

 

[Renegade]

He could have looked the the primers, or just pull the trigger with the gun pointed down and run thru the cylinders.

And have an AD?

Not sure if serious.

 

[tonelar]

A different armorer talking about his process for “demonstrating cold”.

 

[1911'S 4 Me]

I can imagine with Ballwinds ego and cockiness he would say yeah, yeah, I know. I've been shown before.

 

[majormadmax]

In case anyone is offended by all the joking surrounding this incident, I don't care...

 

[toddnjoyce]

Not for me. It is B&W.

They violated every known safety rule. That is beyond gross negligence to the point of complete recklessness.

I don’t disagree but the NM statute for Involuntary Manslaughter appears broad enough to charge them all.

 

[Army 1911]

I don’t disagree but the NM statute for Involuntary Manslaughter appears broad enough to charge them all.

3 ropes aren't that much more expensive than1.

 

[skfullgun]

He pointed a REAL gun at someone and pulled the trigger.

 

[innominate]

What is the SOP for this? What are the "rules"in lala land? Is it different depending on that state? Does the actor have any responsibility to check the firearm or are those checks suppose to be done and the actors just play their part?

 

[tonelar]

What is the SOP for this? What are the "rules"in lala land? Is it different depending on that state? Does the actor have any responsibility to check the firearm or are those checks suppose to be done and the actors just play their part?

They’re fairly straight forward, here is the rundown from Propmaster Dutch Merrick’s point of view (describing armorer/actor duties)

link to theLatch article

How Did the 'Rust' Movie Accident Happen? A Prop Master Explains Safety Protocol — The Latch

In the wake of the tragic accident on the set of 'Rust' in which Alec Baldwin fired a prop gun which fatally wounded cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and injured director Joel Souza, many are wondering how such an incident could occur. The role of gun safety on set is the responsibility of the...

thelatch.com.au

 

[ZX9RCAM]

From the article above....

"If a performer is handed a firearm to use in a scene, they trust that the props department and armourers have done their due diligence and followed protocol and that the weapon is safe for use.

Says Merrick, “I really need to reiterate that the actors have a focus on their dialogue and their emotion and where they got to stand on their lighting and how to react to the other actor…They need to be able to stand firmly and know that the wall is not going to fall down on their head, they need to know that the gun that they’re being handed is ready to go and it’s safe and it’s not going to hurt anybody.”

 

[Axxe55]

It comes down to the very basic of gun safety rules that were either not enforced or ignored. I have stated before that everyone that handled the gun bears some form of responsibility for what happened. I will stand by that.

I think we are looking at this and applying standards many or most of us apply to ourselves regarding the safe handing of firearms. With the exception of just a few on that set, I would suppose most are not "gun"people, and just assume certain things about guns, and safety probably not one of them.

And then factor is that unions dictate a lot of what and how things are done on a movie set. Who can and can't do what. This isn't a world most of us are familiar with and I just don't think we can apply the same standards with this incident. But by that token, from several articles I have read, they even seemed to ignore their own sets of rules regarding guns on the set of a movie.

The investigation is ongoing by the sheriff's department and the DA in New Mexico to determine whether it amounts to being a criminal action or not.

 

[BillM]

 

[toddnjoyce]

…And then factor is that unions dictate a lot of what and how things are done on a movie set.

Replace union with special interest and on a movie set with at their activities and you find out really quick there’s a metric shit ton of shadow ‘justice’ systems out there that hide a lot of criminal activity.

That’s something I have a huge problem with.

 

[Vaquero]

He pointed a REAL gun at someone and pulled the trigger.

I could be wrong.
But I'm gonna guess that Tom Nix, Roy Roger's, Gene Autry, John Wayne, Clint Eastwood, Arnold *********, Sylvester Stallone, etc. etc......... did as well.

It's a fucked up deal.
It shouldn't have happened.
It's really not political.

I believe it'll change cinema for the worse.

 

[skfullgun]

I could be wrong.
But I'm gonna guess that Tom Nix, Roy Roger's, Gene Autry, John Wayne, Clint Eastwood, Arnold *********, Sylvester Stallone, etc. etc......... did as well.

It's a fucked up deal.
It shouldn't have happened.
It's really not political.

I believe it'll change cinema for the worse.

I do as well.

I'm guessing most of those you listed did not allow their anti 2A slant to impede their judgement in handling a firearm safely.

The damnable irony here is that a self-professed anti-gunner would star in a film glorifying guns and violence.

As a Christian, I would never be in a film portraying a character who glorified/promoted anti Christian beliefs or an immoral lifestyle.

 

[jrbfishn]

My read of the article was:

1) Guns were put on cart after lunch, in presence of armorer. The issue you are alluding to his how many people had access to the safe where the guns were kept when not needed.

2) Exactly.

3) Blue gun would not work since they needed a "real" gun for close-up to see bullets in cylinder when they shot it, presumably right after his practice draws since they were moving camera for lighting, thus implying they were close rolling film.

Where the guns were stored when not needed is totally irrelevant.
Assuming the armorer checked them to verify their safety before placing them on the cart for use, who if anyone, had custody of them afterward?
Did a qualified individual supervise them or was the cart just parked and left?
Who was allowed to handle them while on the cart.

You know. The whole chain of custody thing. It matters in who is most culpable. And could point to someone playing a prank, or intentional sabotage, that turned deadly.
I could care less where they are kept overnight. What matters most is the chain of custody AFTER they came out of the "armory".
And a Blue gun with the cylinder milled and painted to look like it had bullets in it, or a toy gun with plastic bullets, would have done the same as a real gun for camera angle and lighting.
Still no excuse.
And just for the record, I have worked on setting up stages and stage lighting for the local IATSE. Such as havng actors in specific spots lit up for specific "shots" or views. It ain't that hard.
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[Army 1911]

State law should trump Hollywood procedures.

Chain of custody stops with Baldwin.

 

[skfullgun]

I'm in a shooting range learning basic handling from an instructor. He tells me the weapon is unloaded. I point it in an unsafe direction and shoot someone. They die.

What might be my guilt/responsibility level?

I'm seriously listening.

Does the venue impact my level of responsibility? And if so, why?