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I want to get into long range... HELP

Discussion in 'Rifles' started by JColumbus, Jan 27, 2020.

  1. JColumbus

    JColumbus Well-Known

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    I'll try to keep this simple.

    Purpose: Hunting and SHTF or the like. Also for fun/sport.

    I have been wanting to get a long range rifle. Something can can do 500 yards EASY and 6-800 yards with skill. 1000 yards if I'm ever good enough.

    My first question is; which caliber is best? I want a common and cheaper caliber.

    Second is; should I just build an AR10, or go the bolt action route?

    I have narrowed it down to 2 beginner long range rifles that, judging by the reviews, seem to be damned good rifles.

    Mossberg Patriot





    Ruger American Predator




    Thanks for the help fellas. Looking forward to learning more about this.


     


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  2. jrbfishn

    jrbfishn TGT Addict

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    That Mossberg in 6.5 Creedmoor looks pretty good. The guys that I sold the Patriots to when I worked at Wally World were all very pleased. Budget rifle but not budget performance.
    The Savage Axis II HB in 6.5, I had one by the way, is a nice shooter for the money as well. Comes with the Accutrigger too. The guy I sold mine to is shooting 1/2" groups at 100 yards with factory ammo. Either would be a good start out to at least 500-600 yards.
    Add a good FFP scope with mils on it and you have a nice setup for budget. If it turns out you don't want to or for some reason don't get into 500-1000 yard shooting you did not break the bank. And still have a better than decent hunting rifle.
    A lot depends on how much you want to spend to start and what your end goals are. Whatever they are now, for various reasons they may change later.

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  3. dee

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    A fast twist 223 will meet your criteria. It won't be super ideal past 700-800 with most factory ammo offerings but will work.

    Downside is theres not a ton of fast twist options in bolt guns which are more accurate than semi.

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  4. Dawico

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    A 223 is a great place to start. Ammo is cheaper and available and you can always upgrade later if you really get serious.

    Fast twists are hard to find but a 1:9 will shoot heavy enough bullets well for 600+ yards.

    Get a Savage.
     
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  5. Sam7sf

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    Mossberg rifles are poor quality. Ruger Americans are generally good to go.
     
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  6. Wiliamr

    Wiliamr Active Member TGT Supporter

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    The rifle is just a minor part of long range.... Your sights are almost more important than the rifle. You will need a very good spotting scope and someone who can spot for you, read wind etc. You will have to learn a fair amount about ballistics as it pertains to your round. I used to shoot long range silhouette, my eyes, are not what they used to be with aperture sights and did fairly well BUT the key was spotter and spotting scope. It is not as simple as buying a good gun and throwing bullets in the direction of the target.
     
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  7. robertc1024

    robertc1024 Moderator Staff Member Moderator TGT Supporter

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    For common calibers, a .223 would be the least expensive way to do it, but starts getting difficult at the 6-800 yard point. I think a 6.5 CM would be a better choice. Having both, and having shot them both at those distances, that's my experience. I'd second Dawico's Savage recommendation. I got two of these at Cabelas - they have them on sale periodically for ~$300. https://www.cabelas.com/product/SAVAGE-FV-VARMINT-RIFLE/1994604.uts One in .223, one in 6.5 CM. Both are easily sub MOA guns. The tricky part is the scope & mount. You'll have to look at the ballistics of the cartridge you settle on, and make sure your scope has enough elevation change to see if you need a base with built in elevation. You can easily hit a target at those distances with a 10x scope, but if you want to see what you're doing, you're going to want more magnification.
     
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  8. Younggun

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    There will be lots of opinions and likely disagreements in this thread, without anybody necessarily being wrong.

    The right answer for you will depend on your real needs and budget.

    Do you just want to hit a silhouette at 1000 yards or shoot groups under 10”?

    Is ammo cost a big factor? What is your limit on price per round?

    Do you want to pick out a deer in the brush at 800 in low light, or see a painted 10” gong at 1000?

    Do you plan on hand loading?

    Do you want every advantage you can get when it comes to beating the wind?

    Recently I was hitting a silhouette at 560 yards using mixed ammo in a heavy barrel budget AR using an X-sight with a bad zero in a heavy crosswind.

    I’ve shot out to 1600 yards using a $300 SWFA fixed 10X scope.

    Those cases were less than ideal, but you can do a lot learning to work with the tools you have. If you have a larger budget you can make things easier to a certain point.

    Once you have your real needs figured out you can see how much of you budget can go towards making those needs easier to achieve and how much is really required to meet the basic needs. You don’t need a $2,000 scope to shoot 1k, but it’s nice. You don’t need a $2k rifle to shoot that far at silhouettes, but you might if you want to shoot 5” groups at 1k.




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  9. zackmars

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    An AR15 in 5.56 will get you past 500 easy, 7-8 is pushing it, but doable. You can easily find fast twist rates (1/8, 1/7) that will work well with heavy bullets, though if you reload, and plan on stretching it out, you will be limited by the AR mag itself.

    An ar10 will make 600-800 a bit easier, and will be better suited to hunting at distance, but if you just want to hit paper, a 5.56 AR would make a good starting point.

    If you want a bolt action, id personally stay away from mossberg.
     
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  10. ZX9RCAM

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    I'm not a long range shooter, but have you tried with what you currently have?
     


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