If Open Carry ever comes to Texas, I hope everyone has.........

[Acera]

If Open Carry ever comes to Texas, I hope everyone has the presence of mind to handle LEO encounters as well as this guy. Don't know if all our laws are like they are in Maine, but it pays to know your rights.

I think this guy did a great job expressing his knowledge of the law, and keeping a calm demeanor, being respectful, but standing up for his rights.

 

[Bithabus]

Must be nice to live in a state where carrying a handgun isn't illegal.

 

[Chupacabra Hunter]

where does he get the notion that its the cops' responsibility to get him an attorney?

 

[Kimber_me_timbers]

Sounds like this guy was out to make a point, had all the laws on him, recording device, the works. Bravo for him.

 

[Kimber_me_timbers]

where does he get the notion that its the cops' responsibility to get him an attorney?

I don't remember the part where he asked them to get him an attorney, just that he wouldn't answer anymore questions unless he had one present.

 

[Rum Runner]

I hate these stupid things. I know he is exorcizing his rights, but there is a certain a-hole or at least young punk factor. I know he thinks he is making a difference, but I think things like this do more harm than good.

 

[Bithabus]

I hate these stupid things. I know he is exorcizing his rights, but there is a certain a-hole or at least young punk factor. I know he thinks he is making a difference, but I think things like this do more harm than good.

I think it depends. If he followed up with appropriate action (against the Officer and agency for violating his rights) then he may prevent others from being harassed in the future, in his state.

 

[Chupacabra Hunter]

I think it depends. If he followed up with appropriate action (against the Officer and agency for violating his rights) then he may prevent others from being harassed in the future, in his state.

what rights did they violate? they asked for id.... (a drivers license issued by that state)...i dont know those particular states' laws and i dont know why he was pulled over, but whats the difference if you have a chl and are required by law to present id when asked by an officer.....
im not completly sold on the idea of open carry.....

 

[Kimber_me_timbers]

I have to agree with Rum Runner, its six in one, half-dozen in the other. Obviously the kid was legally right, but theres a fine line between police harassment and public interests.

 

[Bithabus]

what rights did they violate? they asked for id.... (a drivers license issued by that state)...i dont know those particular states' laws and i dont know why he was pulled over, but whats the difference if you have a chl and are required by law to present id when asked by an officer.....
im not completly sold on the idea of open carry.....

He was detained.

I don't think he was driving at the time.

 

[jtriron]

Okay after listening --- Am I free to go?

 

[Chupacabra Hunter]

He was detained.

I don't think he was driving at the time.

i dont know either if he was driving at the time.... but.... asking for id is not detaining.... and i dont think it was harrassment by asking for some form of id..... but he decided to prove his point and it just prolonged the situation. if he would of co-operated he would have been on his way probably in no time... the officers were responding to some citizens' complaints. this is where conceal carry in my opinion is better that open carry...

 

[Chupacabra Hunter]

Okay after listening --- Am I free to go?

only if you have some id on you....

 

[Bithabus]

i dont know either if he was driving at the time.... but.... asking for id is not detaining.... and i dont think it was harrassment by asking for some form of id..... but he decided to prove his point and it just prolonged the situation. if he would of co-operated he would have been on his way probably in no time... the officers were responding to some citizens' complaints. this is where conceal carry in my opinion is better that open carry...

He was clearly detained. He asked if he was free to go and the Officer said "no".

 

[Chupacabra Hunter]

He was clearly detained. He asked if he was free to go and the Officer said "no".

if the cops would have hauled him away to the city police department for further questioning, then I would agreee he was being detained....but they did not... they mearly asked for id.....

 

[Bithabus]

if the cops would have hauled him away to the city police department for further questioning, then I would agreee he was being detained....but they did not... they mearly asked for id.....

This is not correct. As I said above, the Officer informed the man that he was not free to leave. This is not merely asking for id.

 

[just jk]

I hate these stupid things. I know he is exorcizing his rights, but there is a certain a-hole or at least young punk factor. I know he thinks he is making a difference, but I think things like this do more harm than good.

+1 - totally agree

- grow the hell up and show your ID and be on your way

 

[Chupacabra Hunter]

This is not correct. As I said above, the Officer informed the man that he was not free to leave. This is not merely asking for id.

I guess we have to agree to disagree....... I heard that on some tv commmercial...lol

 

[Bithabus]

I guess we have to agree to disagree....... I heard that on some tv commmercial...lol

With what do you disagree? Stopping someone to ask questions and preventing them from leaving is the definition of an investigative detention.

 

[just jk]

just my opinion but this world needs a whole lot less amateur lawyers and cops.....if you are struggling to find some source of power and control in your life, there are other ways to go about it