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Discussion in 'Military Vets' started by Ole Cowboy, Nov 3, 2014.

  1. Ole Cowboy

    Ole Cowboy TGT Addict

    May 23, 2013
    17 Oaks Ranch
    This is something to keep and eye on, Libs HATE the military and especially hate soldiers!

    Report says 60,000 veterans get triple benefits


    Nov. 1, 2014 10:45 AM EDT


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    WASHINGTON (AP) — Nearly 60,000 veterans were triple dippers last year, drawing a total of $3.5 billion in military retirement pay plus veterans and Social Security disability benefits at the same time, congressional auditors report.
    It's all legal.

    The average payment was about $59,000, but about 2,300 veterans, or 4 percent of the total, received concurrent payments of $100,000 or more, the Government Accountability Office said.
    The highest payment was to a veteran who received $208,757 in combined payments in 2013.

    Some lawmakers say the report shows the need for better coordination among government programs that are facing severe financial constraints. The Social Security Disability Insurance trust fund could run out of money in as soon as two years, government officials say.

    "We should fulfill our promises to the men and women who serve, but we need to streamline these duplicative programs," said Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., who requested the study.
    Veterans groups disagree. They say the retirement money was earned for years of service in the military, while disability payments are compensation for service-related injuries and wounds.

    In most cases, veterans who receive a combination of benefits are severely disabled. About 4 in 5 veterans who got triple payments had a disability rating of at least 50 percent, the GAO said. Nearly half of those receiving triple payments were at least 60 years old.
    Louis Celli Jr., a Washington representative for the American Legion, said critics of the multiple benefits are "misguided and uninformed." He said the report "should simply be filed in the category of one of Sen. Coburn's parting shots to loyal upstanding American patriots who have sacrificed so much for this country."
    Coburn, a longtime critic of government spending, is retiring at the end of the year. He said in an interview that the report raises legitimate questions about whether disability benefits are getting to those who truly need them.

    "This is billions of dollars a year in duplicative payments," Coburn said. "We ought to reassess and say, 'Are we doing more than take care of people in need?' I'm not against the military. I don't think they should be triple dipping."

    Most Americans would find it hard to understand how someone making $86,000 a year in tax-exempt VA income qualifies for Social Security Disability Insurance, when civilian workers are disqualified from the program if they make as little as $13,000 a year, Coburn said.

    Only 17 percent of those who received multiple forms of compensation had suffered a combat-related disability, according to the GAO.
    Veterans have long been exempted from rules that deny Social Security benefits to anyone with other income exceeding $13,000 a year.
    But until the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, veterans were barred from receiving both military retirement pay and Department of Veterans Affairs' disability benefits. Under a Civil War-era statute, the Pentagon docked retirement pay dollar-for-dollar up to the amount of disability benefits from the VA.

    With bipartisan support, Congress changed that law in 2002, gradually restoring military retirement pay to veterans also drawing disability benefits from the VA.
    "Our nation's status as the world's only superpower is largely due to the sacrifices our veterans made in the last century," Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nev., said in March 2002 when the bill was being debated.

    "Rather than honoring their commitment and bravery by fulfilling our obligations, the federal government has chosen to perpetuate this longstanding injustice," Reid said. "Quite simply, this is disgraceful and we must correct it."

    At the time, then-Sen. John Warner, R-Va., a former Navy secretary, posed a question to fellow senators: "How can we ask the men and women who have so faithfully served to sacrifice a portion of their retirement because they are also receiving compensation for an injury suffered while serving their country?"
    Warner acknowledged that the change would have "significant cost," but added; "Is the cost too high? I think not."
    About 3 percent of the nation's 1.9 million military retirees collect all three benefits, the GAO said.

    The report did not recommend changes to the program. The VA said in a response that it "generally agrees" with the report's conclusions. Social Security officials did not comment.

  2. Phoneguy

    Phoneguy Proud American and Infidel since 1968

    Dec 28, 2013
    North Ft Worth
    Maybe these non-serving civilians should go serve their Country, have the Military destroy their mind and/or body for 20 years, and then complain when all they receive is a small stipend for retirement and not be able to work nor get disability payments.
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  3. kurt

    kurt Well-Known TGT Supporter

    If only they were as concerned about welfare fraud.
  4. grasshopperglock

    grasshopperglock Banned

    Jan 5, 2012
    When my reserve unit was activated. Our MP company had state troopers, Dallas homicide detective, Travis co sheriff deputies.

    These guys got to "double dip". Their civilian pay continued. So say a buck E5, pulling about $3000, was getting another pay check....from a $60k a year civilian job as well.

    So? How much is someone's volunteering to die, if need be, worth?

    Fighting a war for lost gains. But doing it anyway. Then your demilitarized like a worn out, junk rifle. Your use was used.


    Getting poked and prodded by the VA, stigma of the "disabled vet". Treated like worn out military equipment. Pills, needles, and more pills.

    What's the true price of the of a Warrior's soul?

    Seems it runs cheap nowadays.
  5. Ole Cowboy

    Ole Cowboy TGT Addict

    May 23, 2013
    17 Oaks Ranch
    Quoted for the truth

    "Most Americans would find it hard to understand how someone making $86,000 a year in tax-exempt VA income qualifies for Social Security Disability Insurance, when civilian workers are disqualified from the program if they make as little as $13,000 a year, Coburn said"

    First of all 100% disability is only worth about $47,000 per year. I think the MAX you can get paid is about $96,000 per years +/-. If you are drawing more than the 100% VA disability rating its because you are FUBAR. and I mean REALLY FUBAR. Doubt if there is a guy who would not trade his health for the payments he is getting.

    VA and SS are paid for different things: VA is for injuries sustained while SS if for in ability to work.
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  6. Mike1234567

    Mike1234567 TGT Addict BANNED!!!

    Feb 11, 2014
    South Texas
    I worked as a civilian in a sick contaminated rat and bat infested building for years at Ft Sam Houston. Yet zero compensation for sick/dying people like me.
  7. Mexican_Hippie

    Mexican_Hippie TGT Addict TGT Supporter

    Feb 4, 2009
    Fort Worth
    The vet benefits should match whatever was promised when you signed up.

    Social security, IMO, should not exist for anyone. But even for these folks it shouldn't be yanked. It was a promise that was made and should be kept while it is phased out.
  8. rushthezeppelin

    rushthezeppelin TGT Addict

    Dec 28, 2012
    Cedar Park
    ...or corporate welfare. So sad they are going after people who have sacrificed so much for this country. I might not agree with basically every war we've been in since WWII but none of these qualms should be laid on the backs of the people who fought in said wars, it should lie squarely on the shoulders of those that got us into all these quagmires worldwide and those that made largely empty promises to those people.
  9. Ole Cowboy

    Ole Cowboy TGT Addict

    May 23, 2013
    17 Oaks Ranch
    If you are drawing mil retirement then you put in the years to do it

    If you are drawing SS then you paid in to it

    If you are drawing VA then you have some kind of injury that is compensated for by that payment

    Not sure I see any conflict here
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  10. Odiferous

    Odiferous Active Member

    Apr 26, 2011
    Evans, Georgia

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