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    I recently wrote that the military is a Socialist Society and that got me ripped a new one. Get ready to be A-raped by those who lived and are living it... but deny it because they don't want to believe the lives they've lived and the handouts they continue to receive are absolutely socialistic. They believe they're special because they risked their lives. I have news for them... firemen and police are just as much at risk... and others, such as myself, are paying with their health and lives because the fucking military didn't/doesn't give a shit about civilians working in contaminated sick buildings. They protect their commie-rads... but not the civilians who work behind the lines to support them. There is no shame in their hearts and minds.

    They're everything that's wrong with this country... "It's all about me... and I deserve all I can get!!"

    One of my BA's was in Sociology.


    Your assessment, isn't far off. The military is ran and controlled on a pure socialist, commie theme.

    Notice, nazi tank crews of ww2. It's noted their effective fighting techniques, were due to the Individual tank commander. Being able to make decisions on his own. With regards to the battle.

    It's noted, due to being a very rare example of a military allowing an aspect to govern itself. With out total military control.

    Looking inside out from the military, it's....


    Cut the dog of the lease. He does a better job. When he's done, he falls back in line. It's also brilliant.
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    TX69

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    **** THAT!! I worked damn hard as a civilian for my paycheck for a quarter century. And I've yet to ask for a single dime... not even my pension yet. Some folks are ignorant A-holes who simply say/write what they think others want to hear/read to make them feel accepted in a given environment.

    Welfare dude welfare costs would be my choice of cutting.
    Good lord
     

    Mike1234567

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    One of my BA's was in Sociology.


    Your assessment, isn't far off. The military is ran and controlled on a pure socialist, commie theme.

    Notice, nazi tank crews of ww2. It's noted their effective fighting techniques, were due to the Individual tank commander. Being able to make decisions on his own. With regards to the battle.

    It's noted, due to being a very rare example of a military allowing an aspect to govern itself. With out total military control.

    Looking inside out from the military, it's....


    Cut the dog of the lease. He does a better job. When he's done, he falls back in line. It's also brilliant.

    Brilliant... and controlling... soldiers who cannot accept the truth that they're being controlled by a brilliant and powerful mind collective.
     

    Ole Cowboy

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    I recently wrote that the military is a Socialist Society and that got me ripped a new one. Get ready to be A-raped by those who lived and are living it... but deny it because they don't want to believe the lives they've lived and the handouts they continue to receive are absolutely socialistic. They believe they're special because they risked their lives. I have news for them... firemen and police are just as much at risk... and others, such as myself, are paying with their health and lives because the $#@!ing military didn't/doesn't give a shit about civilians working in contaminated sick buildings. They protect their commie-rads... but not the civilians who work behind the lines to support them. There is no shame in their hearts and minds.

    They're everything that's wrong with this country... "It's all about me... and I deserve all I can get!!"

    One of my BA's was in Sociology.


    Your assessment, isn't far off. The military is ran and controlled on a pure socialist, commie theme.

    Notice, nazi tank crews of ww2. It's noted their effective fighting techniques, were due to the Individual tank commander. Being able to make decisions on his own. With regards to the battle.

    It's noted, due to being a very rare example of a military allowing an aspect to govern itself. With out total military control.

    Looking inside out from the military, it's....


    Cut the dog of the lease. He does a better job. When he's done, he falls back in line. It's also brilliant.
    Sadly between the two of you you got no idea what communism - socialism is; US military nope not hardly, not even close, nice try but no cigar, no kewpie doll.

    Keep trying, but don't think anyone here is gonna buy it.

    ...............Communism..........................Vs......................Socialism

    PhilosophyFrom each according to his ability, to each according to his needs. Free-access to the articles of consumption is made possible by advances in technology that allow for super-abundance.From each according to his ability, to each according to his contribution. Emphasis on profit being distributed among the society or workforce to complement individual wages/salaries.
    Economic SystemThe means of production are held in common, negating the concept of ownership in capital goods. Production is organized to provide for human needs directly without any use for money. Communism is predicated upon a condition of material abundance.The means of production are owned by public enterprises or cooperatives, and individuals are compensated based on the principle of individual contribution. Production may variously be coordinated through either economic planning or markets.
    ReligionAbolished - all religious and metaphysics is rejected.Freedom of religion, but usually promotes secularism.
    Political SystemUsually takes the form of totalitarianism as Marx described in The Communist Manifesto. Cronyism common.Can coexist with different political systems. Most socialists advocate participatory democracy, some (Social Democrats) advocate parliamentary democracy, and Marxist-Leninists advocate "Democratic centralism".
    IdeasAll people are the same and therefore classes make no sense. The government should own all means of production and land and also everything else. People should work for the government and the collective output should be redistributed equally.All individuals should have access to basic articles of consumption and public goods to allow for self-actualization. Large-scale industries are collective efforts and thus the returns from these industries must benefit society as a whole.
    DefinitionInternational theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, with actual ownership ascribed to the community or state. Rejection of free markets and extreme distrust of Capitalism in any form.A theory or system of social organization based on the holding of most property in common, with actual ownership ascribed to the workers.
    Key ProponentsKarl Marx, Fredrich Engels, Vladimir Lenin, Leon Trotsky.Robert Owen, Pierre Leroux, Karl Marx, Fredrick Engels, John Stuart Mill, Albert Einstein, George Bernard Shaw, Thorstein Veblen, Emma Goldman.
    Social StructureAll class distinctions are eliminated.Class distinctions are diminished.
    Economic coordinationEconomic planning coordinates all decisions regarding investment, production and resource allocation. Planning is done in terms of physical units instead of money.Planned-Socialism relies principally on planning to determine investment and production decisions. Planning may be centralized or decentralized. Market-socialism relies on markets for allocating capital to different socially-owned enterprises.
    Private PropertyAbolished. The concept of property is negated and replaced with the concept of commons and ownership with "usership".Two kinds of property, personal property, such as houses, clothing, etc. owned by the individual. Public property includes factories, and means of production owned by the state but with worker control.
    Political movementsLeninism, Trotskyism, Marxism-Leninism, Maoism, Left-Communism, Stalinism.Democratic Socialism, Communism, Libertarian Socialism, Anarchism, Syndicalism.
    Free ChoiceEither the collective "vote" or the state's rulers make economic and political decisions for everyone else.All choices, including education, religion, employment and marriage, are up to the individual. All health care and education is provided through a socialized system funded by taxation. Citizens have free and equal access.
    Key elementsCentralized government, planned economy, dictatorship of the "proletariat", common ownership of the tools of production, no private property. equality between genders and all people, international focus. anti-democratic. One party system.Economic activity and production especially are adjusted to meet human needs and economic demands. "Production for use": useful goods and services are produced specifically for their usefulness.
    Way of ChangeGovernment in a Communist-state is the agent of change rather than any market or desire on the part of consumers. Change by government can be swift or slow, depending on change in ideology or even whim.Workers in a Socialist-state are the agent of change rather than any market or desire on the part of consumers. Change by the workers can be swift or slow, depending on change in ideology or even whim.
    DiscriminationIn theory, all members of the state are considered equal.The people are considered equal, laws are made when necessary to protect people from discrimination.
    Ownership structureThe means of production are commonly-owned, meaning no entity or individual owns productive property. Importance is ascribed to "usership" over "ownership".The means of production are socially-owned with the surplus value produced accruing to either all of society (in Public-ownership models) or to all the employee-members of the enterprise (in Cooperative-ownership models).
    ExamplesIdeally, there is no leader; the people govern directly. This has never been actually practiced, and has just used a one-party system. Examples 0f Communist states are the erstwhile Soviet Union, Cuba and North Korea.Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR): Although the actual categorization of the USSR's economic system is in dispute, it is often considered to be a form of centrally-planned socialism.
     

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    They must have lowered the standards. I work with a boot camp flunkee who is now getting benifits payments. I agree real veterans deserve benifits but they are giving them out liberally now a days.
     

    Younggun

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    I worked as a civilian in a sick contaminated rat and bat infested building for years at Ft Sam Houston. Yet zero compensation for sick/dying people like me.

    And I bet them mortars coming in were a bitch, and watching for them IEDs on the way to work, ami right?

    Didn't you hate how them kids ran out by the road and you didn't know if they were saying high and happy to see you hoping for some food or signaling some guy to trigger the explosives, man I sure did.

    Bet you lost some buddies on that commute, huh. Let me know if you need somebody to talk to. Sometimes it helps.
     

    craftkr

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    $#@! THAT!! I worked damn hard as a civilian for my paycheck for a quarter century. And I've yet to ask for a single dime... not even my pension yet. Some folks are ignorant A-holes who simply say/write what they think others want to hear/read to make them feel accepted in a given environment.
    No but you sure piss and moan about it on here allot. You off your meds again?
     

    Chirpy

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    We shouldn't even begin to worry about vet benefits until all the fraud is removed from welfare, farm subsidies, Medicare/Medicaid and SS benefits are means tested.

    Then we can talk about it. And vote it down.
     

    Texas42

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    When I saw the thread title I thought something to the effect of, "They gonna take our &*it!"

    But having read this whole thread. . . . . I'm backing out slowly.
     

    Mexican_Hippie

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    It's either tax/welfare, or its a retirement safety net.

    When SS constitutionality was tested the gov argued it was tax/welfare so the Supreme Court didn't strike it down.

    The FED gov doesn't have the authority to make retirement savings compulsory.

    Interesting quandary, this socialism.
     

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    I said way too much. I'm sorry. Life is extremely hard for a lot of folks. Like a child, I've just been feeling far too sorry for myself lately and certain feelings run far too deep.
     

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    Im a 50 % disabled vet, hey you put the time in, you sacrifice so much you have nightmares and can't function some times, pay the guys and gals. What they should watch is thier unsupervised spending, i remember a report was brodcasted where the Army was buying exsesive amount of boots and what not and just storing them because someone had a contract (probably through connections) guess what happened after that info aired we all got 2 new pairs of cold weathwr boots. The report also said they were paying some crazy amount if money for a single screw that of course they ordered my the hundreds of thousands. I hate where they want to make cuts. I would start with thier special interest funds....boy how much are we gonna take...GOD bless the 2nd
     

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    "The average payment was about $59,000, but about 2,300 veterans, or 4 percent of the total, received concurrent payments of $100,000 or more, the Government Accountability Office said.
    The highest payment was to a veteran who received $208,757 in combined payments in 2013".

    That quote is a typical misuse of statistics. First, it is just thrown out there hoping it will stick. There are no explicit examples to support the allegation.

    My retirement and VA disability payments don't even approach those numbers.

    On the other hand, Colonels, General Officers, and Sergeant's Majors make up about that four percent number.

    Rank has its privileges, even in retirement.
     

    Ole Cowboy

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    "The average payment was about $59,000, but about 2,300 veterans, or 4 percent of the total, received concurrent payments of $100,000 or more, the Government Accountability Office said.
    The highest payment was to a veteran who received $208,757 in combined payments in 2013".

    That quote is a typical misuse of statistics. First, it is just thrown out there hoping it will stick. There are no explicit examples to support the allegation.

    My retirement and VA disability payments don't even approach those numbers.

    On the other hand, Colonels, General Officers, and Sergeant's Majors make up about that four percent number.

    Rank has its privileges, even in retirement.
    Col and Generals commonly retire at 100% disability, the Army will not release the exact figures, but, the Surgeon General was a very good friend of mine, VERY GOOD, he told me its right at 100% of GO;s retire at 100% disability, in fact he was the one who gave them their exit physical.
     

    breakingcontact

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    Col and Generals commonly retire at 100% disability, the Army will not release the exact figures, but, the Surgeon General was a very good friend of mine, VERY GOOD, he told me its right at 100% of GO;s retire at 100% disability, in fact he was the one who gave them their exit physical.
    What is their claimed disability or combination typically?

    There is lots of fraud too even on lower levels, people claiming stuff that is hard to disprove.
     
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