illegal search and seizure question

[M. Sage]

This may seem off topic, but what about a "British Boys" rifle would make it illegal?

I'm not contradicting you, I just don't know. I have never heard of it. It just looks like a large, high powerd rifle to me.

The Boys Anti-tank rifle was a .55 cal bolt action rifle designed between the World Wars, so it was obsolete as an anti-armor weapon by the time WWII started. It's probably a destructive device.

Boys anti-tank rifle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[cuate]

The government just march in and take your guns, no way and if you don't believe me just ask David Koresh.

Sorry, Mr Koresh is no longer around to answer questions, he and around 80 others were massacred some years ago. Meanwhile it appears that perhaps millions of gun owners sheer numbers and the fact that a huge proportion still believe in Charlton Heston's words, "From My Cold Dead Hands".........Molon Labe or just plain "Come and get 'em"...... might just
prevent the lying, cheating, taxing, socialist you know whats....

 

[usmcpmi]

Not that I was a fan of Koresh, but the way that was handled was just wrong. IMO he should have used MORE force in defending himself and his followers. Maybe the out come would have been the same, but it would have given the FBI a black eye they wouldn't soon have forgotten. As far as door-to-door gun collecting, just ask the people in Lousiana who went through Katrina and had their weapons stolen from them. If they want mine, they can have them all, just give me a minute while I use up all this left over ammo! MG

 

[GM.Chief]

If they want mine, they can have them all, just give me a minute while I use up all this left over ammo! MG

 

[Y2bad4U]

Not that I was a fan of Koresh, but the way that was handled was just wrong. IMO he should have used MORE force in defending himself and his followers. Maybe the out come would have been the same, but it would have given the FBI a black eye they wouldn't soon have forgotten. As far as door-to-door gun collecting, just ask the people in Lousiana who went through Katrina and had their weapons stolen from them. If they want mine, they can have them all, just give me a minute while I use up all this left over ammo! MG

Thats the only way.

 

[popo22]

Katrina

Well, where was the accountability for the people (the Mayor and his top executives) who originally ordered the confiscation of the guns during the Katrina disaster? Worse, where was the accoutability for his (the Governor and Mayor) failing to request FEMA's help in a timely manner, after all FEMA cannot come in without their official request (at least that is my understanding).

If we let these people "off the hook" simply because they are the "elite" or members of a "protected group", then no one in government or business has to act responsibly. We may not be able to "sue" the government, but does that mean that "class action" suits cannot be pursued against the individuals for their negligence and illegal actions? I don't know, maybe someone with a better knowledge of "civil" law can answer this. Good Luck

 

[M. Sage]

I can't believe Nagin and his Chief of Police are still around in New Orleans...

As far as requesting assistance, that's the governor's job. But somehow it's all Bush's fault for not breaking the law and sending FEMA in without the request.

 

[SC-Texas]

JKTexas has an issue with making comments that appear to be snide, but he claims aren't, but I assume that's OK over here.

If they come to collect the firearms, I beleive they would have to compensate you for your fireaarm, which is one reason California didn't take everyone's AR15s when they permabanned them around 1994.

 

[txinvestigator]

Not that I was a fan of Koresh, but the way that was handled was just wrong. IMO he should have used MORE force in defending himself and his followers.

There was a lawfully issued search warrant. You cannot kill people because you disagree with the government or don't want to obey laws. Plain and simple. Koresh is solely responsible for the deaths of those agents AND his idiotic followers.

Could it have been handled differently by the govt? Sure, but that does not justify the murder of those agents or the resistance by Koresh's klan.

To suggest he should have killed more agents speaks VOLUMES about you though.

As far as door-to-door gun collecting, just ask the people in Lousiana who went through Katrina and had their weapons stolen from them. If they want mine, they can have them all, just give me a minute while I use up all this left over ammo! MG

Ohhhh, that's impressive

 

[SC-Texas]

TXI,

i disagree with you on that one.

the scene commander is responsible for his decisions and for putting his men in that position.

He called the media and wanted them to film the Big Show because he thought it would be good propaganda for the Clinton Administration.

They could have grabbed Koresh outside the compound. But that would not have been as good a show as a full on assualt.

They wanted a confrontation and unfortunately for those agents, they got one.



same thing for the SWAT commander in California who ordered an entry into that turd's apartment that had shot two patrol officers and killed two of his SWAT officers and wounded a third. Bad tactics combining with a perp who is as well armed as the officers.



That said, if you are executing a no-knock warrant on my house in the middle of the night expect to receive fire as if you are a home invader.

There are many cases of turds posing as police officers and breaking the door down.

 

[JKTex]

JKTexas has an issue with making comments that appear to be snide, but he claims aren't, but I assume that's OK over here.

Ok, I'm not sure what that means, but, Ok.

If they come to collect the firearms, I beleive they would have to compensate you for your fireaarm, which is one reason California didn't take everyone's AR15s when they permabanned them around 1994.

They tried real hard down in NO's. Price negotiation went pretty easily as they had weapons drawn on law abiding citizens. And the checks they tried to issue just kept getting too soggy from the flood water to write on.

I agree with the comments above in regards to how in the world Nagin kept his job and even more crazy, was re-elected.

 

[Texas42]

TXI, I'm not defending Koresh, but something about that situation doesn't smell right. Ya know?

 

[stilettosixshooter]

Way off-topic, but...

That said, if you are executing a no-knock warrant on my house in the middle of the night expect to receive fire as if you are a home invader.

SC-Texas - I am off-topic, but I can't help it: it's an interesting thought your raise. Unsolicited, non-legal advice, but I couldn't resist.

My first instinct is that it would be a bad idea to shoot without somehow checking to see if they were in uniform (assuming they announce themselves once they are in the door). In ordinary circumstances, it's a first degree felony if it ends up being real cops. Not sure if mistaken execution of an otherwise lawful warrant changes the game, but I doubt it.

Seems like a gamble to me, especially if you can plan ahead and figure out a way to gain visibility of your front door to check out their appearance. If real cops are barging in and/or you have done something bad to warrant it, don't shoot! It is not clear to me from the law that you'd be off-the-hook even based on a home defense theory, since the jury could find that a reasonable person should've looked to see if they were real cops.

As for the BG pretending to be one when they bust your door down, I can't imagine a more stupid move for a burglar (zero element of surprise), but I guess it could happen. Impersonating an officer could add 2-10 years jail time to the first degree felony of breaking-in in the first place. Then again, someone committing that kind of crime is probably not easily deterred by the threat of more years on top of an already substantial sentence.

Very, very interesting thought.

 

[M. Sage]

Home invaders can yell "police". Some police don't wear uniforms for no-knocks.

Confusion abounds.

 

[Renegade]

TXI, I'm not defending Koresh, but something about that situation doesn't smell right. Ya know?

Koresh was an idiot who should have just gotten an 07/02 FFL....

 

[bellstar]

Government running our lives-police doing what they want...

The government just march in and take your guns, no way and if you don't believe me just ask David Koresh.

They marched in and took my guns!! The county did that is, county-government whats the difference now days.
My husband saw flashlights in our front yard and went to the door with my shot gun. When he realized it was the county cops he set the gun inside the door and closed it. As soon as he turned around they tazed him and arrested him for resisting arrest and detention. The then came in my home and took all of my guns!!!! Exept the 380 under my pillow-stupid asses! I could of shot them. I called them with a threat of lawsuit for illegal search and seizure if they didn't return my guns. My husband now has a felony charge of assault with a deadly weapon-he shot me is what they are saying! The only holes in my body are the ones the good Lord gave me. How can they do this?? He is facing 20 years in prison!
PS: We had a verbal arguement in the yar and the neighbors called due to the noise.

 

[JKTex]

They marched in and took my guns!! The county did that is, county-government whats the difference now days.
My husband saw flashlights in our front yard and went to the door with my shot gun. When he realized it was the county cops he set the gun inside the door and closed it. As soon as he turned around they tazed him and arrested him for resisting arrest and detention. The then came in my home and took all of my guns!!!! Exept the 380 under my pillow-stupid asses! I could of shot them. I called them with a threat of lawsuit for illegal search and seizure if they didn't return my guns. My husband now has a felony charge of assault with a deadly weapon-he shot me is what they are saying! The only holes in my body are the ones the good Lord gave me. How can they do this?? He is facing 20 years in prison!
PS: We had a verbal arguement in the yar and the neighbors called due to the noise.

With all due respect, that has a whole other story wrapped around it and I'm certain we're not getting near all of it.

The search and seizure this thread was started about has to do with the foil hatters that believe the Federal Government will come knocking on doors, searching and seizing all firearms listed on an AWB, if an AWB were to ever be reinstated.

 

[40Arpent]

If you Google "search and seizure Texas," this thread is shown on the bottom of the second page of results.

 

[TexasT]

For starters if any legislation is passed to come get our guns then let the people who passed it to be the ones to come and get them!

Otherwise the Feds are going to be reaalllyy busy. And I will have to ask, because I know there are those in this discussion who are law Enforcement or has been. If left to the local agencies to collect how many individuals would do it?

As far as no knock warrants are concerned, if you get one, your crime is probably more involved than owning an AR15. However I am a law abiding citizen, unless they change the rules. It would be best to ring my doorbell and wait for me to answer....then we can have an adult conversation and nobody will have to get hurt.

and lastly, between Ruby Ridge and Waco, The feds in charge walked away with 2 black eyes. "You can't fix Stupid"

as far as punctuation is concerned...Dont be a Jerk.

 

[txinvestigator]

They marched in and took my guns!! The county did that is, county-government whats the difference now days.
My husband saw flashlights in our front yard and went to the door with my shot gun. When he realized it was the county cops he set the gun inside the door and closed it. As soon as he turned around they tazed him and arrested him for resisting arrest and detention. The then came in my home and took all of my guns!!!! Exept the 380 under my pillow-stupid asses! I could of shot them. I called them with a threat of lawsuit for illegal search and seizure if they didn't return my guns. My husband now has a felony charge of assault with a deadly weapon-he shot me is what they are saying! The only holes in my body are the ones the good Lord gave me. How can they do this?? He is facing 20 years in prison!
PS: We had a verbal arguement in the yar and the neighbors called due to the noise.

But thanks for the laugh.