Is America Heading Towards Another Civil War?

[easy rider]

Cool video. Wasn't expecting the spin @ 47:30. A video both sides should watch and consider.

I've felt this same way while pondering the complexities of life and a civil war. My thoughts were pretty close to the final summery of the video. I agree for a peaceful separation. After watching this... the whole "death by paper cuts" sounds like a bullshit excuse.

As long as we keep our arms. We're a force to be reckon with.

Thanks for sharing Easyrider

Kinda makes you want to stock up more on ammo, doesn't it?

 

[birddog]

As long as American Idol is on TV, the A/C works, and the grocery store is open nobody is gonna do shit.

That's a fact. American Idol, Honey Boo Boo, they're all the same. Complacent, shallow, intellectually spoonfed on junk___ (fill in the blanks).

No different than what occured when colonialists began fighting redcoats.

The majority, a significant majority, of colonials were neutral and continued living theirs lives without change. They were socially responsible to government and the economy, but they did not openly support either side. Of course, accepting the status quo implies support for british rule. But to assume that was the cause of inaction is flawed.

The Continental Army was the only professionally trained and opperationall effective force the coolonials possessed. Militia were ineffective and did not become an operational asset until colonials recognized the value of militia was the persecution of war asymetrically.

I've read that around 15% of the population oof the colonies were active participants in the fight to end British rule. That's a statistically ssignfact fact. And the implication never fight battles on youor enemies terms.

It's common knowledge that critical infrastructure contains SIGNIFICANT weaknesses. The placement of less than 10 exlosive devices would destroy this countries ability to respond to crisis nor maintain social order. The US, for all intents and purpose, would no longer exist except in name only.

Don't ask pecifics, you will be ignored. But I am sure somoeone here knows the target I'm referring to.

 

[birddog]

Since Texas has it's own infrastructure, I think I'll stay in Texas.

Only state with an isolated grid. For a reason

Turning off the lights is more likely than any other scenario. And much, much easier than people realize. I mean crazy idiotic, wtf were they thinking easy.

Turn out the light''s, what will happen?

 

[birddog]

One of the things I've learned about "progressives" is their absolute belief they are The Enlightened.
They truly believe they ARE better than the ignorant masses who do not think as they do.
Issues such as conservatives winning elections and firearm ownership frustrate them, even anger them.
They know what is best. And by God you're going to like it!
This is what makes them so dangerous.
These people would gladly see you and yours loaded onto railcars. The world would be a better place without you.

They sure like to hang out together, public rallies, protests, etc though. The similarity to the vietnam and 60's protests is similar in many way. And lokk what that era spawned.

Weathermen, SLA, and a slew of others that didnt hit the media due to gov containment.

 

[easy rider]

That's a fact. American Idol, Honey Boo Boo, they're all the same. Complacent, shallow, intellectually spoonfed on junk___ (fill in the blanks).

No different than what occured when colonialists began fighting redcoats.

The majority, a significant majority, of colonials were neutral and continued living theirs lives without change. They were socially responsible to government and the economy, but they did not openly support either side. Of course, accepting the status quo implies support for british rule. But to assume that was the cause of inaction is flawed.

The Continental Army was the only professionally trained and opperationall effective force the coolonials possessed. Militia were ineffective and did not become an operational asset until colonials recognized the value of militia was the persecution of war asymetrically.

I've read that around 15% of the population oof the colonies were active participants in the fight to end British rule. That's a statistically ssignfact fact. And the implication never fight battles on youor enemies terms.

It's common knowledge that critical infrastructure contains SIGNIFICANT weaknesses. The placement of less than 10 exlosive devices would destroy this countries ability to respond to crisis nor maintain social order. The US, for all intents and purpose, would no longer exist except in name only.

Don't ask pecifics, you will be ignored. But I am sure somoeone here knows the target I'm referring to.

The 15% I believe was at the start, but with any war on basing the statistics of involvement you have to take into account those that join throughout the conflict.

 

[easy rider]

Keep in mind also, this would be more of a guerrilla style warfare, unlike any war fought in America.

 

[pronstar]

Worth a repost given this thread’s title.

Not my words, but basically a reply to “you and your guns don’t stand a chance when we get the US military to confiscate your guns”


The US population is ~ 326 million.

Conservative estimates of the US gun-owning population is ~ 115 million.

The entire DOD, including civilian employees and non-combat military is ~2.8 million. Less than half of that number (1.2M) is active military. Less than half of the military is combat ratings, with support ratings/MOSes making up the majority.In a popular insurgency, the people themselves are the support for combat-units of the insurgency, which therefore means that active insurgents are combat units, not generally support units.

So lets do the math. You have, optimistically, 600,000 federal combat troops vs 1% (1.15 million) of exclusively the gun owning Americans actively engaged in an armed insurgency, with far larger numbers passively or actively supporting said insurgency.

The military is now outnumbered ~2:1 by a population with small-arms roughly comparable to their own and significant education to manufacture IEDs, hack or interfere with drones, and probably the best average marksmanship of a general population outside of maybe Switzerland. Additionally, this population will have a pool of 22 million veterans, including 1.3 million that have deployed overseas since 2002 that are potentially trainers, officers, or NCOs for this force.

The only major things the insurgents are lacking is armor and air power and proper anti-material weapons. Armor and Air aren't necessary, or even desirable, for an insurgency. Anti-material weapons can be imported or captured, with armored units simply not being engaged by any given unit until materials necessary to attack those units are acquired. Close-air like attack helicopters are vulnerable to sufficient volumes of small arms fire and .50 BMG rifles. All air power is vulnerable to sabotage or raids while on the ground for maintenance.

This is before even before we address the defection rate from the military, which will be >0, or how police and national guard units will respond to the military killing their friends, family, and neighbors.

Basically, a sufficiently large uprising could absolutely murder the military. Every bit of armament the population has necessarily reduces that threshold of "sufficiently large". With the raw amount of small arms and people that know how to use them in the US, "sufficiently large" isn't all that large in relative terms.



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[birddog]

The 15% I believe was at the start, but with any war on basing the statistics of involvement you have to take into account those that join throughout the conflict.

It's been taken into account. As has attrition (kia/combat ineffective, non combat related deaths, desertion, enlistment terms, immigration, and lack of meaningful French assistance until late in the conflict. With the except of Lafayette, The only effective and full use of french combat forces was using their navy to blockade colonial ports. That didn't happen until the french were assured it would succeed and their ships of the line weren't at risk of being engaged and destroyed.

 

[deemus]

Turn out the light''s, what will happen?

No 911, lose food stuffs, lack of communication, etc.

 

[BRD@66]

can i get a harrumph?
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...644FB3C742866E1D998B644FB3C742866E1&FORM=VIRE

 

[Moonpie]

They sure like to hang out together, public rallies, protests, etc though. The similarity to the vietnam and 60's protests is similar in many way. And lokk what that era spawned.

Weathermen, SLA, and a slew of others that didnt hit the media due to gov containment.

Very similar to religous zealots
They aren’t interested in compromise. They are interested in domination.
Down deep, all tyrants are driven by greed. Lust for power and wealth.
Progressives are on a mission from god so to speak. They’re fine with using whatever means to make you comply with their vision of heaven.
They’re absolutely convinced their path is the one true path.
If you do not comply you will be ridiculed, persecuted, and eventually eliminated.

 

[FireInTheWire]

Only state with an isolated grid. For a reason

Turning off the lights is more likely than any other scenario. And much, much easier than people realize. I mean crazy idiotic, wtf were they thinking easy.

Turn out the light''s, what will happen?

Turn on the thermal

 

[FireInTheWire]

Kinda makes you want to stock up more on ammo, doesn't it?

Yes sir. Very much

 

[toddnjoyce]

...Not my words, but basically a reply to “you and your guns don’t stand a chance when we get the US military to confiscate your guns”...

The ignorance of the people that make that statement means they aren’t worth responding to.

 

[easy rider]

The ignorance of the people that make that statement means they aren’t worth responding to.

Yes, but there's this movie..................

 

[deemus]

Yes, but there's this movie..................

Ha! I was just about to say, somebody has been watching Red Dawn.

 

[C_Hallbert]

I do not foresee a civil war in the near future. As stated in ‘The Declaration of Independence’:

“.... Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security....”

I concur with the excellent advice of our nation’s founders. It would take a government hi jacked by socialists which enacts and enforces policies, regulations and laws and egregiously embarks on a campaign to violate our civil rights, suspend rights of property ownership and begin confiscation of private wealth. These abuses will awaken the patriotic souls of even the most devout cowards.


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[birddog]

Turn on the thermal

$40 and a trip to Lowes/Home Depot, I'll bet you a benjamin I can't be detected by your thermal.

 

[FireInTheWire]

If there was a CW or separation... I want Jacko Willink to be our supreme commander.

 

[FireInTheWire]

$40 and a trip to Lowes/Home Depot, I'll bet you a benjamin I can't be detected by your thermal.

Tell you what. I'll spot you $100 and you can get enough for both of us