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Is it just me or, is .40 cal the top dog versus 9 or 45

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  1. Old_Inspector

    Old_Inspector New Member

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    No, my apologies. I did not make my point clearly. No police agency of which I've heard wants to go back to revolvers. Practice - a lot of it - makes hits on target; rounds in the air does not necessarily translate into hits. In combat, no hits = you die. I just don't trust the 9mm as much as others calibers like .45 ACP, .357 SIG & .40 S&W; you must be confident that you can hit your target with your firearm and I am not as confident with 9x19 mm. My prejudice.
     


  2. ZX9RCAM

    ZX9RCAM Over the Rainbow bridge... TGT Supporter

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    Are you saying that you are not as good a shot with a 9mm as you are a .40?
     
  3. majormadmax

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    Fake news, it's that 9mm is simply more economical given its popularity.

    Most female officers I've met outshoot the majority of their male counterparts!

    However, the FBi did discontinue use of the 10mm Auto within a couple of years because the round’s recoil was determined to be excessively strong, and the preponderance of their agents disliked it. The .40 S&W was the compromise...
     
  4. majormadmax

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    It wasn't just female Special Agents, it was the majority of agents that disliked it.

    Also, Jeff Cooper largely developed the 10mm round in the very early 1980s and had been working with the FBI and the US military on adopting it long before the infamous 1986 Miami shootout. Remember that in the late 70s the US military was looking for a replacement for the M1911. The FBI had also been sending their Special Agents to Cooper’s shooting school for years, as did U.S. Special Operations Forces. Cooper leveraged his longstanding trusted relationship with the FBI to market the 10mm, which it adopted for a few years before "settling" for the .40; but only after trying numerous loads in the 10mm in an attempt to tame its recoil (a.k.a. the “10mm Lite” or “10mm FBI” load) which resulted in pistol feed and ejection problems.

    S&W design engineers understood the issues surrounding the full-up 10mm Auto and the reduced recoil 10mm FBI load. Their business solution was to create a new cartridge unique to Smith and Wesson that would provide identical performance of the 10mm FBI load, but for marketing be unique to Smith and Wesson. They needed something they could own. This was a business decision based upon a very smart market analysis, not an FBI-driven requirement.

    The 10mm Auto is still around. The FBI’s Hostage Rescue Team still has it in their armory, as do some U.S. military special ops units.
     
  5. Darkpriest667

    Darkpriest667 Well-Known

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    If anyone has a 10mm Glock or 1911 they'd like to take to the meetup we can see how i feel about the recoil. I'm one of the smaller members and can probably speak to whether or not I would feel comfortable shooting it in a defense situation.
     
  6. TheMailMan

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    If ya want to come out to Terrell I'll let ya shoot one of my 1911 pistols in 10mm.
     
  7. ZX9RCAM

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    There is a definite difference shooting my Smith 1006, and the same ammo in my Dan Wesson CBOB 1911.
     
  8. oldag

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    The move to 9 mm has also been driven by bureaucrats (accounts) to lower costs.
     
  9. tbark44

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    I dont do 9mm or 40 cal anylonger , 45 acp an 45 gap ,had a 40 for awhile but i was un impressed with the accuracy till i found out a 140 to 150 gr bullet shoots way better then the standard 185. i seemed to find every where for sale , but the 230 gr 45 still shoots way more accurate in the guns i was shooting in the test i did for myself a tennis ball sized group at 25 yds is much way better than a pie pan sized group with the 40 at 15 yds ,t
     
  10. tbark44

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    what he said
     


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