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  • Willy

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    She shouldn't have given up her ID. With my ID, they could see that I have a CHL and escalate the confrontation. They were trying to get her caught up in her own words.
     

    V-Tach

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    I noticed they cut the initial contact from the footage...it starts with him asking her to pull up and over. Why would they cut the initial contact out?

    Just curious...
     

    cbigclarke

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    I seen a couple of these. I say good on them for holding there ground. Seeing as how they get off i would think they are in the right
     

    txinvestigator

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    She is one of those..... The officer tells her she is not free to go and is detained, and she keeps asking the question.

    "Look at me, I'm acting stupid on youtube".
     

    vmax

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    I don't think it is stupid to refuse to be illegally searched and detained.

    Rights not exercised are rights lost

    maybe she could have handled it better, but overall I won't throw stones
     

    reddog

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    Since she is at a BP check station I would say she is with in 50 miles of a border, which is a constitution free zone. Technically I believe she has no rights,
     

    Pilgrim

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    I agree that she shouldn't have shown her ID. From what I gather she should have asked if they were detaining her under suspicion of a violation or crime and, if so, what that violation was. They walked the sniffers around her car and came up empty so why do they have the right to force her to pull over and submit to a search?

    I think she could have handled it better and not continue to parrot the same three lines over and over again...

    I'm curious though - when they asked her if she (and her passenger) were U.S. citizens how do they verify that? I don't know too many people that walk around with their naturalization papers or birth certificate to prove their citizenship...
     

    matefrio

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    I don't believe the first officer had PC to detain.

    After the agent said she was being detained it's time to ask why, if the person isn't receiving orders at the end of a gun, and then ask for a supervisor and shut the mouth.

    Asking the same question over and over and over is spinning the wheels a bit.

    She's darn lucky the dog didn't alert. If there was ever a system that's prone to error and abuse it's the drug sniffing dogs.
     
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    karlac

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    Being courteous and respectful to a man doing his job will go a long way to resolving most any issue. If that doesn't work, invoke your rights, then STFU.
     

    Renegade

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    While she may have been in the right, she is lucky they were patient. If they were vindictive officers, that dog would have alerted and they would have dismantled her car.
     

    matefrio

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    While she may have been in the right, she is lucky they were patient. If they were vindictive officers, that dog would have alerted and they would have dismantled her car.
    My HS had random dog checks in lockers and parking lots. One day a well respected older and proper lady teacher got hauled out of class with a uniformed escort. The K9 sniffer had alerted on her car. It'd already scratched up the paint when she got out there. They then let it in her car and it messed up passenger seat and scratched the dash.

    They opened up the glove compartment and a ham and cheese sandwich she'd forgotten to take in was found. Of course the rest of the car had to be disassembled and laid out just in case the K9 wasn't in error and to try and save face it turned into a witch hunt on the car so this was a few hours.

    Being a proper lady she was beyond embarrassed, of course the walk of shame got more lip time than the final result and she suffered for it with the students.

    Dogs are useful, I trust mine to increase my awareness at home and think they do have a use on the police force. I don't think they should be providing PC for a search though on a person, vehicle or residence.
     

    vmax

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    dogs can be trained to react to the handlers movements and they can say that was an alert.

    a dog is a tool that can be misused like anything else
     

    Ole Cowboy

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    Near the end of the video when another officer shows up she asks the question (AGAIN) 'am I being detained?' Yes! 'what am I being detained for?' I dunno!

    At that point in time they let her go. There was no need for this to have gone down this way. The first time she asked 'am I being detained' the answer should have been: No mam, we just need a few moments to run a license check and do a walk around, part of our normal procedure, this will only take a couple of min and you can be on your way.

    When a LEO says you are being detained he should also tell you why and you generally are on your way to be arrested at that time.
     

    Renegade

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    The first time she asked 'am I being detained' the answer should have been: No mam, we just need a few moments to run a license check and do a walk around, part of our normal procedure, this will only take a couple of min and you can be on your way.

    Except she was being lawfully detained, if the BP had said no, she could have driven off.

    It is confusing as BP is not Texas Peace Officer and has no authority for traffic enforcement. Hence why he could not do anything when she refused to move off the road. But they do have authority to stop/detain/id folks within the border area.
     
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