Just Dropped: Ruger-57

[V-Tach]

Just wondering about that! Have you done it?

Nope....not even going to think about it..........

I did think about it once......the more I read the less motivated I became........

 

[Charlie]

I tend to agree. I'm probably not coordinated enough or have fingers small enough to load them.

 

[EZ-E]

Hmmm...always liked that little 5.7 round. Rather affordable compared to a FN

 

[Dawico]

Reloading 5.7X28 has it's challenges.......not for the meek or mild.......

The case coating is one issue but not a big one.

The biggest issue I had was my mistake of swaging the staked/ crimp primer pockets. The rim is too small and expands. They need to be cut out.

The tiny bullets are flat based too which is another issue.

But all in all it isn't bad once you get it down.

 

[Dawico]

I want one. There, I said it.

I had a FiveseveN years ago and really liked it but the price of those guns has kept me away.

 

[toddnjoyce]

An affordable gun that shoot the 57 throws a wrench into the below...


MAIN POINT OF SELLING BELGIAN FIVE SEVEN PISTOL IS EXTREME PRICE OF WEAPON AND CARTRIDGE.

So it’s not really a manbun caliber, it’s just a 22WMR in metric centerfire. But since it’s hard to reload, it can’t be for the proletariat.


So confused.

 

[Moonpie]

PMR-30 raffs at this.

 

[Charlie]

Ruger has $799 as their list.
https://ruger.com/products/ruger57/models.html

 

[SQLGeek]

PMR-30 raffs at this.

As you were saying:

 

[FireInTheWire]

Is 5.7 a manbun caliber?

Not according to the cartels.

 

[desertshooter]

I never thought I'd see that LOL

But cool, I guess, I hope the ammo becomes more available

 

[Younggun]

I’d rather see this in .17 HMR or .22 TCM.


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[EZ-E]

I’d rather see this in .17 HMR or .22 TCM.


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.17hmr semi auto would be cool. Id buy one.

 

[Hoji]

I’ll stick with the original. But I do hope the price of ammo for them comes down.

 

[kbaxter60]

it’s just a 22WMR in metric centerfire.

I don't know much about this chambering, but that is what it was starting to sound like to me. Anyone got a link to a comparison of 57 and .22 WMR? Would like to see the ballistics data side by side...

 

[SQLGeek]

I don't know much about this chambering, but that is what it was starting to sound like to me. Anyone got a link to a comparison of 57 and .22 WMR? Would like to see the ballistics data side by side...

Kind of old but a bit of data:

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/23/myth-busting-22-magnum-vs-5-7x28mm/

Kel-Tec have stated [PDF Link] that a 40 grain .22 WMR round should reach a velocity of 1230 fps from the 4.3″ barrel of their PMR-30 pistol. This works out to 134.40 ft/lbs of energy.


This is a significantly less than the FN Five-seveN USG (4.75″ barrel), which can push a 40 grain bullet at 2009 fps. This works out to 358.57 ft/lbs! Nearly three times as powerful as the .22 WMR! 1

There's a ton of reading if you search .22 Mag vs 5.7 in the search engine of your choice.

 

[Maverick44]

I'm tempted, but the nightmare stories about reloading 5.7 are seriously making me reconsider. "Cheap" ammo is about $0.39 - $0.40 per round. That's a bit more than I'd want to spend on a novelty.

This post from AR15.com sums it up.

Glacierwolf

I am a reloading instructor with 35+ years experience.

The 5.7x28mm is a semi-auto version of the 22 Hornet - and use the same diameter bullets as the 223, 5.56mm, 22-250 etc etc etc etc etc - it is a .224" bullet. You just cannot use the same bulelts from these other calibers in a 5.7 'cause the 5.7 likes 27gr to 40gr bulelts - 55gr for subsonic.

I have a ton of experience loading 223 for NRA Highpower Rifle competition to 600 yards - and I can tell you the 5.7x28mm is a very very difficult round to reload. The factory outside coating interfers with full length sizing. The case is too short to accomplish FL sizing, de-priming, and neck sizing all at once like normal reloading easily - your better off performing these steps individually, or, wreck 20+ cases getting the die dead on perfect.

The full sized brass always needs trimming. The primer pockets are military crimped and need to have it removed with a swagger.

The big problem - FN has never relieased their pressure data to United States manufacturer's - this means none of the powder or bullet companies can publish a load with 100% confidence it is safe. I've talked at lenght with Hodgon and Sierra about this.

There is some load data on the internet, and, a few magazines - but these almost always use a local powder like 'True Blue' that is only found on the East Coast and not on the West Coast, Alaska - or sold by mainstream companies like Midway. This makes loading for this caliber very dangerous!!

Bottom line. There just isn't enough info available for anyone to reload this round 100% safely. Just take a peek at your factory once fired brass and you will notice they all show signs of over pressure. I've never blown up a rifle or pistol reloading in 35 years, but, this is a real possibility for me as I continue to work on this caliber. By the end of June I should have some safe loads for 30gr Midway Dogtowns, 40gr Nosler BT's, and 55gr subsonics for people using suppressors. I will post them in this Five-Seven area. Lots of nice folks here. I have 24/7 access to a nice range just minutes from my house..

American gun shop walls and ceilings all over the country are decorated with blown up rifles and pistols - mostly from reloading. These are guns blown up that had published data available. The 5.7x28 is not for the novice reloader - and - if you can't afford to have your gun blown up - you shouldn't be reloading for this either.

Hope this helps! You can email me at the end of June and see where my load data is at.

https://www.ar15.com/forums/handguns/5_7x28_reloading/53-73395/

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Damn, that looks nasty.

 

[Hoji]

it’s just a 22WMR in metric centerfire.


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Not even remotely close. Like comparing orangutans to centipedes.

 

[Pistol Pete]

M-I-C-K-E-Y M O U S E..........................................................

 

[oldag]

Just curious, what is attractive about this round?