2000+ FPS from a pistol, 20+1 capacity.
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With about twice the energy of the rimfire.
It’s an interesting cartridge, for sure. But I can still make fun of it.
This video is pretty good comparison with ballistic gel & a level 2 panel.
I was surprised what a 30gr Vmax 22 wmr can do.
I have wanted one of these since they came out.
https://cmmginc.com/product/pistol-banshee-300-mk57-5-7-x-28mm/
https://cmmginc.com/product/pistol-banshee-300-mk57-5-7-x-28mm/
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Someone else in this thread mentioned the 22 TCM earlier and it reminded me that I saw an ad for this pistol in the latest American Rifleman. I don't know this cartridge any better than I know the 5.7 and I know that all are not fans of Rock Island, but I may have to give this a closer look. The Premium FS in 22 TCM:
https://armscor.com/firearms/ria/tcm-series/tcm-premium-fs-22tcm/
https://armscor.com/firearms/ria/tcm-series/tcm-premium-fs-22tcm/
@subseashooter is a 22 TCM fan, he can tell you about it.
Kinda funny that I got tagged in this thread.....I literally sent the link to the Rifleman article to a buddy of mine today....like 2 hours ago.
Although I AM a 22TCM fan, I'm really a fan of the unique....which this currently is. If y'all will bear with me, I'll share thoughts.
#1 - I LOVE that this is coming to market. I may or may not have a FiveseveN, as well as a PS90. Yes, the cost of ammo SUCKS. Reloading is a bit of an adventure. BUT if there are more firearms that run this ammo on the market (particularly moderately priced firearms), then the demand for the ammo will increase, and perhaps more manufacturers will step into the space. I think it's even more likely when you consider this firearm's manufacturer.
Fun fact about the 5.7 round....it was cooked up to replace 9mm for NATO troops. It provides a higher capacity handgun that, when coupled with the correct ammunition, delivering 2000+ FPS from a 5" barrel, is adequate as an anti-personnel round, even if said personnel are wearing basic body armor.
Now...22 Mag....another of my favorites....especially in Kel-Tec's PMR30. My experience with that firearm is that it likes Vmax rounds....hollowpoints tended to grab the feed ramp, in my limited experience. Level of recoil between the PMR30 and the FiveseveN - negligible. But I like the PMR30 more due to price of firearm, country of manufacturer, and availability of ammo (even if I can't run hollowpoints), as well as added capacity. I've run 22Mag in a couple other auto-loaders, but until Kel-Tec did their thing, a reliable 22Mag semiautomatic pistol just wasn't a thing unless you wanted to spend considerable time and money. Side note - 22Mag is generally accepted as being not reloadable.
Somewhere there is a video that someone else on this forum took of me dumping a PMR30...it is pure joy. And fire literally comes out of every seam of that weapon. Cool. As. Heck.
Now....22TCM. The Tuason-Craig Micromagnum.
I. LOVE. THIS. ROUND.
But, like all things, it has it's drawbacks as well. When it was introduced, I believe that the rated velocity out of a 5" barrel was around 2100 fps. I don't recall off the top of my head. I remember thinking with a grin that it was "a 5.7 killer". RIA produced the 1911 that it was chambered in (and have since chambered a bolt action rifle in the same - rated velocity out of a 16" barrel is 2700+ fps)...and they sold it as a package deal....you bought one gun and got springs and barrels for 9mm and 22TCM. The one that I picked up second hand (because I'm cheap) had FTF issues. I actually got to visit with Mr. Tuason at the NRA get together several years ago. I asked him if he had heard of any issues with this firearm, and peppered him with questions about the yet to be released rifle. After satisfying my fan-boy-ism, he introduced me to his head gunsmith that immediately sent me a shipping label to send my 1911 in to be fixed.
22TCM is totally reloadable and there are sites that have some interesting workups for it.
At the end of the day, I think that all of these rounds and all of these firearms have their place in someone's safe, and on someone's hip. What works for one may not work for others. Heck, my EDC changes with the season, my wardrobe, the phase of the moon, and my particular mood when I'm getting dressed.
The most important thing is that we are so blessed to live in a country where we CAN carry every day, and that our right to protect ourselves and our loved ones is held in high enough regard that there are companies out there that are literally cooking up new stuff, every day, JUST FOR US!!!
Eat it up, and have fun with it all!!
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Although I AM a 22TCM fan, I'm really a fan of the unique....which this currently is. If y'all will bear with me, I'll share thoughts.
#1 - I LOVE that this is coming to market. I may or may not have a FiveseveN, as well as a PS90. Yes, the cost of ammo SUCKS. Reloading is a bit of an adventure. BUT if there are more firearms that run this ammo on the market (particularly moderately priced firearms), then the demand for the ammo will increase, and perhaps more manufacturers will step into the space. I think it's even more likely when you consider this firearm's manufacturer.
Fun fact about the 5.7 round....it was cooked up to replace 9mm for NATO troops. It provides a higher capacity handgun that, when coupled with the correct ammunition, delivering 2000+ FPS from a 5" barrel, is adequate as an anti-personnel round, even if said personnel are wearing basic body armor.
Now...22 Mag....another of my favorites....especially in Kel-Tec's PMR30. My experience with that firearm is that it likes Vmax rounds....hollowpoints tended to grab the feed ramp, in my limited experience. Level of recoil between the PMR30 and the FiveseveN - negligible. But I like the PMR30 more due to price of firearm, country of manufacturer, and availability of ammo (even if I can't run hollowpoints), as well as added capacity. I've run 22Mag in a couple other auto-loaders, but until Kel-Tec did their thing, a reliable 22Mag semiautomatic pistol just wasn't a thing unless you wanted to spend considerable time and money. Side note - 22Mag is generally accepted as being not reloadable.
Somewhere there is a video that someone else on this forum took of me dumping a PMR30...it is pure joy. And fire literally comes out of every seam of that weapon. Cool. As. Heck.
Now....22TCM. The Tuason-Craig Micromagnum.
I. LOVE. THIS. ROUND.
But, like all things, it has it's drawbacks as well. When it was introduced, I believe that the rated velocity out of a 5" barrel was around 2100 fps. I don't recall off the top of my head. I remember thinking with a grin that it was "a 5.7 killer". RIA produced the 1911 that it was chambered in (and have since chambered a bolt action rifle in the same - rated velocity out of a 16" barrel is 2700+ fps)...and they sold it as a package deal....you bought one gun and got springs and barrels for 9mm and 22TCM. The one that I picked up second hand (because I'm cheap) had FTF issues. I actually got to visit with Mr. Tuason at the NRA get together several years ago. I asked him if he had heard of any issues with this firearm, and peppered him with questions about the yet to be released rifle. After satisfying my fan-boy-ism, he introduced me to his head gunsmith that immediately sent me a shipping label to send my 1911 in to be fixed.
22TCM is totally reloadable and there are sites that have some interesting workups for it.
At the end of the day, I think that all of these rounds and all of these firearms have their place in someone's safe, and on someone's hip. What works for one may not work for others. Heck, my EDC changes with the season, my wardrobe, the phase of the moon, and my particular mood when I'm getting dressed.
The most important thing is that we are so blessed to live in a country where we CAN carry every day, and that our right to protect ourselves and our loved ones is held in high enough regard that there are companies out there that are literally cooking up new stuff, every day, JUST FOR US!!!
Eat it up, and have fun with it all!!
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So you want an mp7, but chambered in 5.7?
Yes. H&K has no intrest in giving us the mp7, so perfect opportunity for another company to step in, all while using a similar in function caliber that is actually avalible.
A "braced handgun" is a far more elegant solution than the CMMG guns
HK MP7 is gas operated, same as SIG MPX. The only delayed blowback braced pistol there is in 5.7 is CMMG Banshee.
I think not, not without some hot-rodding. People who shot Ruger-57 on a chrono say it only pushes 1600 fps with change. Actually, it's no different from Five-seveN in that.
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