Just had my WWII hero Dad's TRW M14NM retirement gift rifle confiscated by ATF

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Once again the leftest have stolen history.
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Do you have paperwork from the US government stating when/under whose authority ownership of that weapon was transferred to your father?

If you do, then there's the possibility the MG registry can be amended to include that rifle under your father's name since it was intentionally transferred to him by an official acting under authority of the federal government. NFA Branch has done that in the past for war souvenirs that have such documentation.

If he took possession of it in the 1970s that's well before the registry was closed in 1986.
 

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Why would you ever think of selling such an item or alerting the ATF especially with the history and paperwork and court case info you had.

You keep that kinda stuff due to family history or donate to a proper museum. Never alert the most jackbooted organization in the government to anything. The live to phuck Americans.

Talk about autofornicating.

I hope you get it back and be sure to ask for attorney fees and any damages to the gun cause they will phuck it up. Just cause they can.
 

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No updates from the OP that I can see.

While I would really like to see the OP prevail in this debacle of a government fiasco, perpetrated by bureaucratic federal agency that routinely changes it's mind on definitions of all things concerning firearms, the realistic part of my mind is that he won't.

I can clearly envision some bureaucrat flunky destroying the firearm out of spite even if the OP were to prevail in court and wind another one for the little guy. So even if he were to win, he could still end up losing. That is sad, and very unfortunate.

I do wish him the best of luck, and hope he gets the rifle returned, in an unmolested condition.
 

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Damn, this is a sad story. Wish the OP well in recovering the rifle, I get being strapped for cash, that's an heirloom gun I'd rather keep in the family and pass down if there's anyone to pass it on to, but I get being cash strapped. I think this makes reason 4,938,328 the ATF should be abolished and all gun laws stricken from the books.
 

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Damn, this is a sad story. Wish the OP well in recovering the rifle, I get being strapped for cash, that's an heirloom gun I'd rather keep in the family and pass down if there's anyone to pass it on to, but I get being cash strapped. I think this makes reason 4,938,328 the ATF should be abolished and all gun laws stricken from the books.
There are many reasons the ATF should be abolished, this just being another one.
 

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I know I’m preaching to the choir here but…

(begin rant)

NFA 1934 is an unconstitutional abomination, and so is every gun control law since. As confirmed in US v Miller 1939 and corrected by DC v Heller 2008, suitability for military use is not a reason for making a firearm illegal or restricted. In fact it is a basis for specifically including military style firearms as part of the God-given right of the people protected by the second amendment.

To say a military firearm (“machine guns” included) is illegal or restricted and not protected by 2A is like saying printing presses are illegal because they are suitable for printing newspapers in high volume and therefore not protected by 1A. Or mega churches are illegal because they allow too many people to freely exercise their religion and therefore not protected by 1A. It’s backwards.

But y’all knew that already.

(rant over)
 

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As confirmed in US v Miller 1939 and corrected by DC v Heller 2008, suitability for military use is not a reason for making a firearm illegal or restricted. In fact it is a basis for specifically including military style firearms as part of the God-given right of the people protected by the second amendment.

Emphasis mine.

I'm always surprised when I find someone who has actually read US v Miller. That ruling, that ostensibly upheld the NFA, is very, very clear in its reasoning. It provides the blueprint to overturn the NFA.

Miller dealt with a sawed-off shotgun and the court upheld the NFA on the basis that no one had shown in court that a sawed-off shotgun was a valid militia/military weapon. If such had been shown, the NFA would have failed.

Why was no court shown pictures of a "trench broom" in use during WWI? I think it pretty much boils down to the fact that Miller's counsel was incompetent or absent, as was Miller himself in the later stages.

The language of the decision can actually be read as the author begging someone to do a competent job of showing that sawed-off shotguns (and, by extension, machine guns) are valid weapons of war so that they could overturn the NFA.

Why no one took up that challenge before 1968, I don't know. After the 68 GCA, the whole mess just seems like it was too complex and entrenched for someone to clean up and no one has bothered to strike at the root of the problem, the NFA. Some people have done some good work around the edges; the Thompson Center case comes to mind. But no one has tried (that I know of; educate me if I'm ignorant) to simply walk around the 68 GCA and directly attack the NFA, using the blueprint provided by SCOTUS.

Damn shame, that is.
 

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